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Old 12-31-2012, 11:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 12-31-2012, 11:18 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 12-31-2012, 03:44 PM   #3 (permalink)
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there should be a fourth option, absolute uncertainty
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Old 12-31-2012, 11:42 PM   #4 (permalink)
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there should be a fourth option, absolute uncertainty
Yep. Or just uncertainty. Not sure why it has to be absolute, or if it even can be absolute. Wouldn't that make it certain in some sense?
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should be an option where its half half, but yeah i believe.
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Yep. Or just uncertainty. Not sure why it has to be absolute, or if it even can be absolute. Wouldn't that make it certain in some sense?
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I believe that there's a GOD but I follow a religion because of family tradition. I'm not sure whether Jesus is god, nor "allah", Abraham and etc. but I really believe there's a god -- the world is designed so perfectly: we need air to breathe, we wouldn't survive without bees, and all those stuff.
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A few thoughts now that I'm a few Erdingers deep:

1) What states of belief are possible and what, exactly, do they map to? For example, is not believing something identical with believing that something is false? If I don't believe in god, does that mean I believe that the statement "god exists" is false, or is that a separate question? Ie. are there two statements: "god exists" and "god doesn't exist" for which one can have seemingly distinct beliefs? Is it possible to equally believe and disbelieve that a particular proposition is true?

2) I suspect it is appropriate to separate whether one believes in a particular proposition from the question of whether one is confident that the proposition is true. That is, one can believe in something without having any confidence in whether they are true or not. I think this approach better captures the full range of states of belief, and this is especially so in the case of religious or theistic beliefs.

3) We have to be careful when we talk of perfection; it is something quite distinct from adequacy or, in a crude sense, parts fitting together. Certainly we have the air to breath that we require (otherwise we wouldn't be alive and so couldn't comment on the fact that we don't have the air we require; it seems like a vacuous observation to me) but it is also easy to imagine how things could be improved further still (note that I've avoided debating what precisely perfection is, though I do take it for granted that something is not perfect if it can be improved upon). To take the example of the supply of oxygen necessary for human physiological functions, it seems quite plausible to me that an organism can be designed to take in their food via an orifice or tube that is not directly adjacent to the one in which we take in or oxygen, thus preventing the suffocation and choking that easily occurs when we're not careful while eating or drinking. In fact, many other organisms are not designed in a manner that seems so foolish. So is this really a matter of perfection, or does it look more like a kludge done with constraints already in place? I, of course, vote for the latter.

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A few thoughts now that I'm a few Erdingers deep:

1) What states of belief are possible and what, exactly, do they map to? For example, is not believing something identical with believing that something is false? If I don't believe in god, does that mean I believe that the statement "god exists" is false, or is that a separate question? Ie. are there two statements: "god exists" and "god doesn't exist" for which one can have seemingly distinct beliefs? Is it possible to equally believe and disbelieve that a particular proposition is true?

2) I suspect it is appropriate to separate whether one believes in a particular proposition from the question of whether one is confident that the proposition is true. That is, one can believe in something without having any confidence in whether they are true or not. I think this approach better captures the full range of states of belief, and this is especially so in the case of religious or theistic beliefs.

3) We have to be careful when we talk of perfection; it is something quite distinct from adequacy or, in a crude sense, parts fitting together. Certainly we have the air to breath that we require (otherwise we wouldn't be alive and so couldn't comment on the fact that we don't have the air we require; it seems like a vacuous observation to me) but it is also easy to imagine how things could be improved further still (note that I've avoided debating what precisely perfection is, though I do take it for granted that something is not perfect if it can be improved upon). To take the example of the supply of oxygen necessary for human physiological functions, it seems quite plausible to me that an organism can be designed to take in their food via an orifice or tube that is not directly adjacent to the one in which we take in or oxygen, thus preventing the suffocation and choking that easily occurs when we're not careful while eating or drinking. In fact, many other organisms are not designed in a manner that seems so foolish. So is this really a matter of perfection, or does it look more like a kludge done with constraints already in place? I, of course, vote for the latter.
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-belief comes before truth at least as often as after it. people do not seek a coherent worldview, or even a consistent moral position, before 'knowing' what they believe to be true and arguing it vociferously. this is why i've always been interested in praxis over theory. it is possible to equally believe all sorts of contrary ideas because, outside of academia, people rarely tie the threads together. in the end questions of this sort become social and political rather than a matter of truth-seeking.

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Old 01-05-2013, 09:39 AM   #10 (permalink)
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