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Old 12-02-2008, 11:02 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Coalition talks are not that out of the norm. Harper, the NDP and the Bloc were in talks to form one against the Minority Liberals in 2004.
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Old 12-02-2008, 11:03 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Coalition talks are not that out of the norm. Harper, the NDP and the Bloc were in talks to form one against the Minority Liberals in 2004.
I had the same problem then
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Old 12-02-2008, 11:04 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Seriously, let Quebec seperate.

They can assume their part of the national debt too and then enjoy being a third world country.
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In the end, for all the balley-hooing Quebec does about seperating, they know in the back of their minds they couldn't. They would stand to lose too much.
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Old 12-02-2008, 11:08 AM   #24 (permalink)
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The notion of state though is pretty outdated though. I've advocated for quite some time that Canada should allow Quebec to seperate however, form a quasi-union with them, not dissimilar to the one the European Union has.
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Old 12-02-2008, 11:08 AM   #25 (permalink)
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The one thing i WOULDN'T want is for Harper is to request GG Jean to dissolve the goverment and call another election. And Dion has already said that he's going to resign, so it gets REALLY shaky here if a coalition is to take over.
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Old 12-02-2008, 11:09 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Goodbye Quebec, just leave. It will make the hockey rivalry 10x more intense
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Old 12-02-2008, 12:00 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Also, issues such as these will continue to plague Canadian politics until Proportional Representation is instituted. The first past the post system, well, never really worked and it's the larger parties which are simply not allowing it to change (i.e. Libs and Conservatives)
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Old 12-02-2008, 04:17 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I wouldn't really mind if Quebec was it's own country. They piss me off talking about how they want to seperate. They might as well We should hold another referendum to see what people think now
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i thoguht this people vote for the goverenment and now i see how 3ppl an overrule our votes just saying this aint that democratic
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Yea I have to agreee. You can retty much do that everytime and then there would be no such thing as democracy anymore. WTF is this.....if this happens it is a sad day for Canada
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Old 12-02-2008, 05:19 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Old 12-03-2008, 11:58 AM   #32 (permalink)
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i thoguht this people vote for the goverenment and now i see how 3ppl an overrule our votes just saying this aint that democratic
How is it NOT democratic? This is our constitution in work. This is what democracy actually IS. But please, tell me, us, how this is not democratic. You may not be in favour of it, but don't say this isn't democratic.
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Old 12-03-2008, 12:22 PM   #33 (permalink)
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two things

it's an embarrassment

and

it won't work

all the parties share a goal of withholding the power of the conservatives, but their own philosophies with prevent them from making any progress. if anything, we're going to have a repeat of the last term where we stood stagnant for the most part.

why can't these people try to work together as a whole
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Old 12-03-2008, 12:27 PM   #34 (permalink)
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It isnt, in a small "d" democractic sense.

Look they are all cut of the same ilk. Harper called an election that wasn't democractic.

I would just like some common sense back into things...

The Bloc should get none...zero..nadda public canadian money, it is their mandate to to longer be Canadian.
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two things

it's an embarrassment

and

it won't work

all the parties share a goal of withholding the power of the conservatives, but their own philosophies with prevent them from making any progress. if anything, we're going to have a repeat of the last term where we stood stagnant for the most part.

why can't these people try to work together as a whole
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Old 12-08-2008, 09:31 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Charest is back in with what looks like a majority in Quebec. Good times. If I were back in Quebec, I would vote Liberal provincially and Bloc federally. Yeah, I said it. The Bloc represents Quebec's interests the best for them and realistically, that's what you want a party to do for you, right? You vote for the party that best represents your interests. They have to go through a referendum to separate, even the Bloc agrees on that, so then you just vote "No."

Anyway, Ignatieff's in and Rae is upset. More drama than a Mexican soap opera.
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I just finished talking to a friend who works in Ottawa and if what he told me is true, then Harper should lose power based on simply gambling on a stupid game of chicken.
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I just finished talking to a friend who works in Ottawa and if what he told me is true, then Harper should lose power based on simply gambling on a stupid game of chicken.
if you're referring to the collapse of the coalition, he should receive a pat on the back for saving our country from that disaster it was heading into.

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Charest is back in with what looks like a majority in Quebec. Good times. If I were back in Quebec, I would vote Liberal provincially and Bloc federally. Yeah, I said it. The Bloc represents Quebec's interests the best for them and realistically, that's what you want a party to do for you, right? You vote for the party that best represents your interests. They have to go through a referendum to separate, even the Bloc agrees on that, so then you just vote "No."
i suppose if every province provided a federal party, they'd look after their provinces main interests as well. save the sovereignty of quebec! screw the acadians!
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No, I'm not referring to the collapse of the coalition.

He should've never made it a confidence issue in the first place (the original bill). He wanted to utterly destroy the Liberal Party with the funding issue, essentially kicking them when they're down. Just being a plain ole bully.

Now, I'm not a Liberal supporter, but why not do something and actually govern this country. Canadians want jobs. Why not provide more money to federal infrastructure measures and attempt this "green" initiative. Putting this simply, taking our rail, moving it away the use of Diesel, and having it run on magnets. The technology exists and how many jobs would be created? Again, Harper, if he were wise, could use it as a brilliant PR move, i.e. unifying the country in the face of the Bloc Quebecois. Make THAT a confidence issue, take the "green" inititative, actually do something, and force the Liberals to either vote for or against their own party platform. That's political strategy, not the mess we're in now, simply over a small tax the majority of Canadians never knew about anyways.

Fuck, let's just blow up the entire system and start over again.
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No, I'm not referring to the collapse of the coalition.

He should've never made it a confidence issue in the first place (the original bill). He wanted to utterly destroy the Liberal Party with the funding issue, essentially kicking them when they're down. Just being a plain ole bully.

Now, I'm not a Liberal supporter, but why not do something and actually govern this country. Canadians want jobs. Why not provide more money to federal infrastructure measures and attempt this "green" initiative. Putting this simply, taking our rail, moving it away the use of Diesel, and having it run on magnets. The technology exists and how many jobs would be created? Again, Harper, if he were wise, could use it as a brilliant PR move, i.e. unifying the country in the face of the Bloc Quebecois. Make THAT a confidence issue, take the "green" inititative, actually do something, and force the Liberals to either vote for or against their own party platform. That's political strategy, not the mess we're in now, simply over a small tax the majority of Canadians never knew about anyways.

Fuck, let's just blow up the entire system and start over again.
I believe parties should be funded by thier members. Would give alot more money for other things. Just how I feel...less government is better government.


and I agree totally with your final sentance.
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