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Old 05-21-2008, 09:57 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Wonderful reading.

My stance, the world is a mess. Period. It has been fucked for centuries and we are the ones that are supposed to fix in, all in like 100 years or so.

Drop a bunch of people on an Island like the Kids form the Book "Lord of the Flies" and watch what happens. An eternal battle, which is intrinsic as it pertains to who we are as humans, between the ability to reason, and straight up primal instinct will always rage.

It's so fucking hard to have logic and reason come out on top because think about it; To be primal is part of your genetic code, it's a state of being and is chemically controlled in the body by naturally occurring hormones. To have compassion through understanding is reason, and in not natural, instead it is human being making use of their ability to reason as the tool that separates us from the animals. The difficult task is having the strength to do so. It takes energy, and it take perseverance, and quite honestly, if you're uneducated, and you're living a hard life, how much energy do many people have for this type of thinking, unfortunately, the prevalent situation that arises, is "not very often!"

Perhaps this doesn't explain whether of not Political Correct theory is too much, or too little for North American Society, but it does go a long way into shedding light upon why so many of us feel that PC Police should "Fuck the off on their bike with their shirt"!! We as a society as a whole, are not ready for Utopian acceptance. We like to think we are, however, lets face it, we are a nation in which a middle class, self professed Non-racist can still say that it's ok to be socially discriminatory against a Black man because Black men commit 70% of the social and violent crimes in Toronto. Using the number, you sure can support the argument (oh how SO VERY MESSAGEBOARD it is to do so, most dumbasses on this site do the same thing about basketball).

Unfortunately you cannot. You see, socially, people who have traditionally been oppressed for years in North America, Black people, and immigrants of color or recognizable minority, have had a much harder time statistically as a whole bringing their family lines up to a decent social standing. There are a myriad of social and political reasons for the basic retardation of the growth of the acceptance of minorities in our Country, they aren't debatable, instead mostly obvious, however the continue to lag behind what most know to be fair and just. Because of this, people of a "Minority" classification tend to commit more social crime. And before we go getting all indignant over that statement and complain about the violent crime numbers. Lets point out how many of those violent crimes were committed by youths, who are living in a 100% violently charged social setting, where a shooting crime is not only accepted, it's promoted by leaders in that social group, the end result being a minor, or a very young man or woman having to live with the horror that they took another persons life, long after they had actually committed the crime as ignorant and confused young people.

It's a different world when we look at it with an open eye fellas.

We are not all racists.

We are mostly just tired, confused or sleeping.

Are we too politically correct. Hell no we are not, the shit that goes on is not acceptable.
Is our society ready, or able to change fast enough to make Politically correct thought possible.

Perhaps not. But I think I'm gonna keep trying. I owe it to the people I interact with on a regular basis.
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Old 06-05-2008, 07:24 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Maybe Jay or HoopsNation can answer this because their the only "black dudes" I know that posts here, but how come still to this day African Amercians for the majority still refer to slavery as the main reason why they can't move forward in life in a positive way and that because how they were treated it deters them from so much in life? I mean it happened over 150 years ago, yet still to this day we hear that life is so much harder because of how they were treated back in say 1850. (just throwing out a random year) I'm not trying being ignorant or insensitive so sorry if I've offended anyone, but when do you stop using that excuse? I hear it all the time in the American media and shows coming from the US.
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I'm a "black dude" and I think that it the slavery excuse may be overused, but Jim Crow laws (Wikipedia that) were not removed until the 1960's. I don't know if any of you know Rosa Parks (wikipedia her) but she died 3 years ago and I think whe was apart of segeragation. My math has that to about 40 yrs ago.

If we all lived by stupid racist ignorance, then would I be right in my assumption that Dr J Naismith is a NAZI because he has the a German Flag and all Germans are Nazi's? That would be ignorant.

If you really want to know why black americans use that as an excuse is because the are still living under the circumstances of slavery. Don't think that any "ghetto" you have seen in Canada compares to the ghetto in the US. The live in shit, so do the white people, so do the hispanics! The states is more of a cast system then a democracy. Poor areas get no support. Crap Schools, crap police, etc.

The richer you are the poorer somebody else needs to be so why spend money on Lil' Tyrone when you can give him a basketball or a microphone. Spend it on Lil' Billy so he can build computer software and own the team.

I don't think anybody here is a blatant racist but I am sure you never felt what some blacks feel when you fit the description: Black male 5'5 to 6'0 feet, dark eyes, short hair, a goatee, and baggy jeans. I fit the description of the dudes in the Just desert killing, Jane Creba, etc. SO DOES 95% of black males.

The White Mans Burden...
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:06 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I not a fan of this profiling at all. I notice that every time I take the ferry across the border, why is it I'm "randomly selected" in the immigration line every single time? How could I randomly hit the jackpot every single time, while my non-minority friends have to wait outside for me for an hour. I'm wearing a dress shirt and dress pants, no jewelry, no mustache or beard or tattoo or earring or anything that really sets me apart except that my skin is brown. I'm then shuffled over to a corner to be asked questions with the other 2 or so non-minorities that they selected who stand out attrociously because they are full of tattooes, have a long beard, smell like pot/alcohol, etc. I can understand why they were selected, but why me? I'm not trying to hurt anybody, its really discouraging but this kind of thing seems to happen all the time.

I'm not trying to spew hate here but its tiring to have to go through this time and time again. As well as being followed around by a cop car or someone in a department store walking behind me everywhere I go. Its making me paranoid.
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Old 06-05-2008, 09:42 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Sadly the answer here is simple:

There are two sides in this world: the haves and the have nots.

It should be no surprise that the have nots in our society have also been declared as being "different".

The "haves" dictate what the rules of the game are. What is neccessary to achieve acceptance in the "club". Therefore, it surprises me, that the white majority of North America, seems incredibly shocked that "others" attempt to achieve the "have" status. We see the way others attempt to reach middle or upper class status and we say, "you're doing it the wrong way!" However, an analysis of history will show that to achieve this level of power, many people die, many backs are stabbed and many people are kicked to the side. And now, we see the lower tier of society, attempting to get a piece of the pie, and we say: No, you can not do it this way, there are no short cuts, you must take the long way. I guess someone forgot to say, that the upper class HAS taken short cuts (again, look at history, quickly, how does one get control of valuable resources, by asking please?)

But in a way, we also NEED the lower classes. In an odd way, we desire it. SJ mentioned the utopia, and I agree, we are not ready for the utopia because we CRAVE the dystopia. We need to see what we are NOT meant to be; what we should not do and what can occur to any one of us.

And I feel bad for any minority. I grew up in a working class neighbourhood. Talking to university professors, some believed that I had no chance of making it past first year (I made it MUCH further) because of where I grew up. I've seen many immigrants, people of colour, struggle and continuously look with sadness in their eyes why THEY can't have the opportunity to get the same thing the foreman or the office worker has. Instead, they struggle and in this struggle and not reaching the penultimate goal, it is easy to become depressed and ENTER the world of drugs and alcohol.

But again, will this ever change? Not likely. As I said, we require the "other". We require it for our survival. We require it to remain safe in sound in our homes.

The question should be though, at what point do we realize that we are beginning to only create the other (as some people have alluded to here; the sense of being watched because they are different) and when does the definition begin to change?
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Old 06-05-2008, 10:52 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Good reads guys, most of it true...and other issues for another time.

My issue is with "political correctness".

Be it, black , white, catholic, muslim, man, woman, liberal or conservative.

For example...Etobicoke dude Rob Ford, (whom I'm sure alot you hate, and I wish would shut his mouth sometime) got in hot water for sterotyping Asians as "hard working"


Torontosaurus you did something interesting there, you complained about being stereotyped, and then did it yourself.
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Old 06-05-2008, 11:19 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Torontosaurus you did something interesting there, you complained about being stereotyped, and then did it yourself.
I didn't mean to come off that way and sorry to any one here who has a mustache, beard, tattoos or earrings, etc. (Now that's being politically correct ) but what I meant is I'm totally average but I still attract their attention due to profiling.
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Old 06-10-2008, 08:32 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Political Correctness is a shit stain because it inhibits a deeper understanding of why and how particular aspects of a language affect particular groups or people, and how these groups are formed as "groups" in the first place.
It's so contradictory because it says "you can't use that word to talk about that group", in hopes of evading stigmatizing a grouping, and hopefully getting us towards the liberal utopia of "we're all human". But PC still has to identify a group in the first place. It's a semantic clusterfuck.
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Old 06-25-2008, 02:07 PM   #48 (permalink)
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