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Old 03-26-2011, 05:04 PM   #41 (permalink)
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harper was pretty blatantly exposed by duceppe this morning. it will be hard for him to spin that, if at all.
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harper was pretty blatantly exposed by duceppe this morning. it will be hard for him to spin that, if at all.
did he make it clear that he had a signed agreement with Harper? Because if that's what you're talking about then that came out the last time around.

And it's not going to matter. It'll likely help Harper. Because the dude does not want to put out any kind of platform, nor debate any real issues. He wants to make his accusations which are basically flat-out lies and distortions, and keep the other guys from being able to do anything but defend themselves against bullshit. That's how it's done in the good old USA, and Harper has learned very well from his friends like Ralph Reed. Surely only good government can result from that.
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harper flat out lied to the canadian public this morning about the legitimacy of structuring government. electioneering and smearing is one thing, but deliberately misinforming the public about what is constitutionally legitimate is just a slap in the face to our collective intelligence. the guy is straight up lying to people from a position of authority.
That's what I was talking about earlier. I listened to him this morning and it seemed like every sentence was a lie. Even he couldn't take it anymore and had to correct himself and change the word legitimate to principled.

And when you consider that everything he claims to be railing against is something he took much farther, with an attempt to come to power solely with the separatists, and giving them a place in the cabinet. Fuck me. He could come out and say that it was something they had looked at doing, but that in the end it is just not something that the people of Canada find acceptable. That would be something that can be taken as arguably true. But he has to go the extra mile and repeat lie after lie, just as he did when he shut down Parliament twice.

In the end I still doubt that it matters all that much, but it's such a terrible, and really undemocratic approach to election campaigns, that it's disturbing as hell.
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I found this old article from the globe regarding bank mergers. It seems that it has been a succession of minority governments that has held them back, and that the "political game" revolves around a majority being needed in order for the banks to start bulldozing the somewhat stable economy we've enjoyed, and start blowing up bubbles.

It would seem that minority might not be such a dirty word, and that it has been what has kept us from handing much of our power as citizens over to the financial sector.

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 Posted at 8:49 PM EST

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Finance Minister Ralph Goodale has already proven he can move the markets. Now Stephen Harper is showing he's no slouch, either.

With polls suggesting his Conservative Party is headed toward a possible majority government, Canadian investors swiftly returned Wednesday to one of their favourite pastimes: rolling the dice once more on the on-again-off-again prospect that the country's Big Six banks finally will be allowed to pursue mergers.

Shares of Bank of Montreal, the most obvious takeover target if Ottawa endorses consolidation, reached a 52-week high, finishing the day at $67.83 on the Toronto Stock Exchange — a gain of $1.63 or 2.5 per cent. Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, which also figures to be prey for a larger rival, enjoyed a similarly strong day, rising 1.6 per cent or $1.24 to $80.51.

Mind you, none of these bets has paid off for investors in the past decade. But interest in the merger file has always enjoyed something of a Lazarus quality, and this latest resurrection has occurred squarely in lockstep with the sudden revival of Mr. Harper's Conservatives.

Many believe that the Tories' ideological bent will make them more disposed to approve financial services consolidation after years of fruitless debate, government dithering and parliamentary hearings. Others, such as National Bank Financial Inc. analyst Robert Wessel, believe the recent paralysis on mergers had less to do with the ruling Liberals' political will than it did with the fact they were operating with a minority government.

“If there's a majority government, either Liberal or Conservative, I think it happens in two years,” he said of merger approvals. “I think if anyone wins a majority, [BMO's] stock jumps.”

Not surprisingly, investors drove down the prices of the most likely acquirers. Royal Bank of Canada, the country's biggest bank, fell 69 cents to $91, while Toronto-Dominion Bank dropped 46 cents to $61.40. Among this group of would-be buyers, only Bank of Nova Scotia, which has long coveted BMO, kept its head above water, eking out a marginal 23-cent increase to close at $46.21.

The Conservatives offered qualified support for bank mergers over the summer, proposing that the crucial “public interest” test on the issue be carried out by an independent body in order to depoliticize the process. However, they have remained non-committal on what promises to be a highly contentious topic with Canadians.

“We said, you know, there should be some public interest test met, if mergers would go forward,” Conservative Finance critic Monte Solberg said Wednesday in Ottawa. “You know, we've been at this for I think eight years now, and as the Prime Minister said himself, the next government must deal with this issue. So we support a process.”

Prime Minister Paul Martin acknowledged this month that the issue must be resolved; when asked whether he supported mergers, he replied that it “depends on the circumstances.”

A Strategic Counsel poll published Wednesday showed the Conservatives with 38 per cent of the popular vote: good enough for a 10-point lead over Mr. Martin's Liberals, and verging on the kind of support needed for a majority in the House of Commons.

In a research note this week, Mr. Wessel, who rates BMO a “sector perform,” said the prospect of any party winning a majority may be low, but the possibility is rising, and so too is the chance of bank mergers.
Now listen to Harper pushing for a majority, and stressing his economic action plan. This is the guy that pushed hard for profits from derivatives and currency transactions not be taxed, not just here, but worldwide. Who is he going to represent if he wins a majority? The same question should be asked of all the candidates, as Martin would have likely handed power over to finance had he enjoyed majority status.
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that's largely because of the propaganda campaign.

-he's un-canadian, he's a snob, he caters to the elite, his background is dishonest -...
Yeah, that there sounds like our Obama. *southern accent*

Oh, wait, you're talking about Iggy. Sorry, my mistake. Same playbook, different border.
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Yeah, that there sounds like our Obama. *southern accent*

Oh, wait, you're talking about Iggy. Sorry, my mistake. Same playbook, different border.
correct me if im wrong but the american democrats are farther right on the political scale than our conservatives, let alone our liberals..
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correct me if im wrong but the american democrats are farther right on the political scale than our conservatives, let alone our liberals..
Hmm...I think you might have missed the point of my joke. I was commenting on some of the similarities I see in the way the Republicans and Conservatives paint their opponents (Iggy and Obama). That's all.

As for your question, in my humble opinion, your analysis is somewhat correct, but it's a little more complicated than that.

In the United States, the center is further to the right than it is in Canada. And since the U.S. has a two pary system, the Democrats end up having to market themselves to a big tent. They need support from the "left" and at least some from the "center". At the state level, some of the voters whom the Democrats try to appeal to are more left leaning than some Canadian Liberals, yet, at the same time, at the fedeal level, the Democrats can't win without gaining the center. Many voters located at the center of the American political spectrum would probably vote conservative in Canada. But the Democrats also have support from, and try to appeal to, some people you'd probably never find voting for Harper (union workers, civil rights activists, etc...).

Policy wise, at the federal level, the Democrats can be pretty conservative. But that's not the way all Americans view them. It's relative. And the Republicans try to exagerate some of the differences and make the Dems seem more left leaning, like the claims that they are socialist, which is completely laughable.

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Hmm...I think you might have missed the point of my joke. I was commenting on some of the similarities I see in the way the Republicans and Conservatives paint their opponents (Iggy and Obama). That's all.

As for your question, in my humble opinion, your analysis is somewhat correct, but it's a little more complicated than that.

In the United States, the center is further to the right than it is in Canada. And since the U.S. has a two pary system, the Democrats end up having to market themselves to a big tent. They need support from the "left" and at least some from the "center". At the state level, some of the voters whom the Democrats try to appeal to are more left leaning than some Canadian Liberals, yet, at the same time, at the fedeal level, the Democrats can't win without gaining the center. Many voters located at the center of the American political spectrum would probably vote conservative in Canada. But the Democrats also have support from, and try to appeal to, some people you'd probably never find voting for Harper (union workers, civil rights activists, etc...).

Policy wise, at the federal level, the Democrats can be pretty conservative. But that's not the way all Americans view them. It's relative. And the Republicans try to exagerate some of the differences and make the Dems seem more left leaning, like the claims that they are socialist, which is completely laughable.
but isnt that what politics is all about? undermining your opponent and dishing out bullshit promises to win the election?
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i sure as hell hope we can do better than that.
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but isnt that what politics is all about? undermining your opponent and dishing out bullshit promises to win the election?
Um, it doesn't have to be, especially if the media refuses to repeat ridiculous information. If the you have decent media and the electorate is not dumb as shit, then voters will be able to see through claims that Omaba (for example) is a "foreigner", a "socialist", and an "elitist". Part of the reason that stuff has so much traction in the U.S. is because the media helps give it traction and the voters are not educated enough to critically assess political messages.

In Canada, I'd like to believe the situation is better, but there still could be more accountability/awareness.



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i sure as hell hope we can do better than that.
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yes the situation is better, but with the amercanization of canada by "harper's government" we arent very far from what many canadians see as a poisonous system. Canada had a nice balance of social help and corporate help.. i miss that
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Canada’s Children’s Fitness Tax Credit – The Rich Get Richer? | Obesity Panacea

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Mr Harper is proposing that the current CFTC be expanded to offer a $1,000 tax-credit per child, as well as offering a similar $500 tax-credit for adults (an important detail being that these credits won’t be until the budget is balanced… which is projected to be 2015 at the earliest). This would mean that parents could now save up to $150 per child, and an additional $75 for themselves…. once the budget is balanced.

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Based on the results of this paper, it seems that the current CFTC is of benefit to people who can already afford to put their kids in organized sport, but is of little use to the children who need it the most.


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All that to say that while expanding the CFTC isn’t necessarily a bad thing, it’s probably not going to do much to increase enrollment in organized physical activity among those who need it most.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...rticle1968880/

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The dislike of these credits among public finance economists is near-universal.

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Adds complexity to the tax system: Boutique tax credits benefit those who can afford accountants to arrange their financial affairs, and lard our economy with extra burdens of filling in forms and shuffling paper.

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Incrementality: Much of the value of these credits goes to those already doing the activity; little increase in actual use. This means the incremental activity is achieved at great cost.

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Creates entrenched interests of beneficiaries that will lobby for further credits and complain about job losses if credits diminished.
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Urggg...why do people need tax credits to make their kids active? Seriously at what point do people start taking responsibility for some things themselves, ITS CALLED GO OUTSIDE.
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also creates the opportunity of accusing your opponents of being against improved health for our children if they oppose the credits. the fine art of creating policy to undermine your opponents position as part of a bubble campaign.

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also creates the opportunity of accusing your opponents of being against improved health for our children if they oppose the credits. the fine art of creating policy to undermine your opponents position as part of a bubble campaig.
So glad you didn't place that on any imparticular party, they all figgen do it.
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I'm against these tax credits because I find them disingenuous. They are framed as a solution to a particular problem but actually compound the issue.

I'm not, broadly speaking, against some sort of economic reward for activities that will lead to better wellness. In our health care system, I think it is entirely legitimate to encourage citizens to lower our aggregate health care costs.

I agree that we shouldn't need to have such rewards, but that may be the reality we're looking at.
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I'm against these tax credits because I find them disingenuous. They are framed as a solution to a particular problem but actually compound the issue.

I'm not, broadly speaking, against some sort of economic reward for activities that will lead to better wellness. In our health care system, I think it is entirely legitimate to encourage citizens to lower our aggregate health care costs.

I agree that we shouldn't need to have such rewards, but that may be the reality we're looking at.
People rely too much on government, look for other people to blame for their own problems, get out and run, its cheap.

When I was very young my mother couldn't afford to put me in sports, no chance I could afford hockey gear untill I started getting the hand me downs.

Get this though, everyday after school I would be doing something, Baseball, Road Hockey, Soccer....now replaced by PS3, MSN messanger and youtube.
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People rely too much on government, look for other people to blame for their own problems, get out and run, its cheap.

When I was very young my mother couldn't afford to put me in sports, no chance I could afford hockey gear untill I started getting the hand me downs.

Get this though, everyday after school I would be doing something, Baseball, Road Hockey, Soccer....now replaced by PS3, MSN messanger and youtube.
or school work, school work, and more school work. i swear the workloads increased from the past. i have on average one all nighter a week .
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i have on average one all nighter a week .
In high school? WTF?
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In high school? WTF?
yea.. fucked up shit aint it?
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