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LilRomeo 10-01-2011 12:55 AM

Ontario Provincial Election 2011
I'm a Liberal at heart - in fact I want to join the Ontario Young Liberals - but I'm not going to vote for Dalton McGuinty. What I don't like mostly is his HST. I have to spend 13% tax on everything! That's ridiculous. There are people would argue that since the HST was introduced, it made easier for businesses, corporations and all and created more jobs. Ok, what's the point of making a living when at the end of the day, when almost everything on your bi-weekly income goes to grocery, and bills. Don't even get me started of hydro bills! This style of living is similar in the Philippines and other third world country.

HST seems to me it's more towards businesses and less towards ordinary citizens. My friend whose mother owned a local business in a town, I predict they would vote for Dalton cuz' HST.

Whoever wins the election, whether be McGuinty, Hudak, or Horwath, they are all in support of HST anyways so no point for fighting against this.

For the sake of civic duty to vote, I'd probably go for Horwath. I don't want Conservatives running full-force in our country and push for illegalization of weed in our province.

Claudius 10-02-2011 11:15 AM

If you're complaining about the hydro bills you could always complain about the party that originally privatized our hydro services in the first place.

For me, I couldn't even vote for the PC party (beyond my politics) simply because they support the mid-pen highway. The last thing I want to see built is another highway cutting through this area with developers waiting in the wings to capitalize on it.

The HST was needed evil as I like to say. The HST didn't necessarily increase the prices of everything, it was the cost of energy that increased the price of everything (specifically oil), so complain to the federal government on that one.

None of the three parties though speak to me and the green party is probably as close to my beliefs as any party but I don't think they're even running a candidate in my riding (if they are, I haven't spoken to anyone from his/her office. I may vote strategically here just simply because I can't stand the PC candidate.

LX 10-02-2011 11:49 AM

The Green party in Ontario right now is to the right of the NDP and libs. At least that is what I got from the voter compas thing from the CBC.

The biggest reason for escalating costs, likely beyond even the price of gas, is simply the mechanisms of Wall St. They've been allowed to turn basic commodities, including food staples, into derivatives that can be manipulated whereby the financial sector profits from winning bets and losing bets while creating a bubble, and consumers lose big time as the bubble grows and again after it bursts. It's just fucked up.

I'm not exactly thrilled with McGuinty, and the NDP candidate in my riding is very strong, but I have to say that the improvement in the air quality has been fantastic. After a decade of summers that were hazy, ugly, and unenjoyable in that breathing was uncomfortable, I had a summer of beautiful blue skies, and easy breathing even on the hottest of days.

'trane 10-02-2011 12:42 PM

it was a stupid bogeyman at the federal level, and it's even less relevant provincially. douchebag politics represent!

Ontario PC Leader Hudak raises spectre of Liberal-NDP 'coalition' - The Globe and Mail

Windex 10-02-2011 01:47 PM

I like McGuinty because his name sounds the coolest :cookie:
just my deux cents

'trane 10-02-2011 11:54 PM

fwiw, the globe and mail has endorsed mcguinty.

Dalton McGuinty's Liberals the best choice for Ontario's challenges - The Globe and Mail


Ontario has entered tempestuous waters. The province is confronted with a rapidly slowing economy, serious fiscal challenges – declining revenues, an even larger deficit – and the need for early, deep spending cuts and control of voracious public sector unions to maintain the province’s capacity to respond to broader economic challenges.

Voters on Thursday have a basic choice, between an experienced Liberal government under Premier Dalton McGuinty that believes modest efforts can see the province through the storm, and a Progressive Conservative Party, led by Tim Hudak – a leader with basically sound political and economic principles whose campaign was surprisingly lacklustre, and who will move too aggressively and is too dogmatic about smaller government when some public investment is needed.

There is no third option. The New Democrats, under leader Andrea Horwath, are dangerously flawed, and if given an opportunity to influence policy, either in government or in a minority parliament, would wreak havoc on Ontario’s economy. (More on that tomorrow.)

The Liberal record is imperfect, from the eHealth fiasco and the bloated size of the cabinet to the proliferation of provincial agencies and the cancellation of power plants. Liberals also like to thump their chests for presiding over eight years of labour peace. It isn’t difficult to buy labour peace with too-generous raises, however.

But what has Mr. Hudak offered, other than criticism? Not much.

Federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty’s inappropriate intervention on behalf of Mr. Hudak on Friday also did him no favours. In Canada, provincial power serves as a check on the power of the federal government. With upcoming negotiations with Ottawa over the renewal of federal-provincial transfers for health and social spending, Mr. Flaherty’s statements leave the unfortunate impression that Mr. Hudak is not an independent actor, as the premier of Canada’s largest province must be.

Benzo 10-03-2011 09:38 AM

I don't like any of these potatoes

'trane 10-03-2011 09:48 AM

i don't particularly love any of them either, but i do know what kind of province and what kind of city i want to support.

Windex 10-03-2011 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by Benzo (Post 573830)
I don't like any of these potatoes

you're welcome to run...

Someguy again 10-03-2011 04:21 PM

i dont like tim hudaks idea of private hospitals, or privatization or services in the matter, unless i'm greatly misinformed.

pzabby 10-03-2011 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by Someguy again (Post 573862)
i dont like tim hudaks idea of private hospitals, or privatization or services in the matter, unless i'm greatly misinformed.

i find that unbelievably absurd

bladeofBG 10-04-2011 12:24 AM

This Thursday October 6th 2011, I plan on giving my vote to that huckster Tim Hudak: the least of the three evils between him, McGuinty & Horwath.

-I find McGuinty to be the prime evil in this election, as all of the taxes he's put in place do NOT stimulate the economy AND are more criminal than they are at all beneficial to Ontarians. Both Hudak & Horwath allude to his criminality in their ad campaigns, campaign speeches & during the debate last week, yet don't outright say it despite it being well within their right w/substance & jurisprudence to do so (which gives signal that they intend the same type of greedy under-the-table shit later on down the road once either wins McGuinty's job). They do this by identifying McGuinty's taxes as 'tax-grabs', which is to say w/the amount of greedy low-lifes within the gov't system & McGuinty's own greed, the under-the-table system is in place for him & his constiuents to overcharge in tax (right in front of our faces) & pocket plenty of money that's designated to go into programs (that don't stimulate the economy, I should add again; I should also state that stimulating the economy is what's needed to fully put the '08 collapse behind us, NOT gov't programs), thus pullin a fast one over Ontarians and avoiding detection from Federal watchdogs by paying those 'on the take' within them - and the reason this goes over the heads of most Cdn's is b/c Hudak & Horvath don't go into enough detail about it unto saying the criminality of it, but juss enough detail to make Cdn's think of their own pocketbooks to go w/the 'alternative.'

As much as I & yall display conflicting arguments on numerous issues on this board, I'm sure we can all agree of the present greed & criminality thereof within our gov't. But juss to further hammer my point, I'll let yall know that I live in Ottawa, & the city is filled w/gov't buildings, of which I used to work in one some yrs ago in a tax office. And despite the 'polite' bullshit y'all see on TV (and the few truly wonderful people you'd meet too, I should add before I go further; my supervisor was one of them), yall wouldn't believe the staggering amount of lowlifes you'd find yourself working with when in those gov't buildings; the type of people capable of pulling off the criminality I mentioned. In short, each day I went to work, I literally felt the same way I did when passing through a neighbourhood full of degredation & oppressiveness; both fruits of greed in the place of public service. Of all the jobs I ever had, the only one that had a similar atmosphere was my 1st job out of college, when I was telemarketing Conrad Black's National Post. I remember feeling a weight completely drop off of me at my last day of both jobs, whereas I had bittersweet goodbyes at the end of the other gigs I worked.

So yeah, it'd be nothing short of a bad joke if McGuinty gets re-elected.

-Horwath is the middle evil between the three in this election. Now, to me she's displayed as much untrustworthiness & bullshit as the other two (unless you believe the oh-so perfectly placed heart-touching stories she says during her campaign & the debate), but she's not at the stage of the prime evil as McGuinty, simply b/c if elected, she knows she's gonna have to knock off his tax-grabs & 'programs' w/substance in order to make a good impression to Ontarians, and thus enable citizens to get the economy rolling again. Yet she's still to be recognized as nigh as evil, simply b/c she's full of shit, subtley displaying the same type of greed as from McGuinty & Hudak & all throughout the political system (re: her debate last week was staged; both she & Hudak were goin against McGuinty, yet making eachother look good by not effectively contesting eachother's criticisms at certain junctures, rather juss lettin it go despite the opportunity to contest being ever present), and w/that system in place, there's no one to directly & unceremoniously keep her in check - save for the next vote 4yrs from now, of which there's no present & blunt guarantee that we'll have better candidates then, thus not a valid option.

So if she's elected, we can expect a good initial boom of her knocking off a measure of McGuinty's fuckeries & thus allow businesses to stimulate the economy, but given she's shown nothing of substance to dispute that she's juss another greedy politician, you can bet she'd keep alot of the bad things McGuinty has put in place (ie- this tax, that tax etc.), all for her to be the next main under-the-table beneficiary thereof. Her greatest strengths are that she's a better liar than Hudak, has a great target in McGuinty (who was more nervous than I've ever seen a politician before in a debate; motherfucker's got so much hide that it's funny to look at), and she's got no one in the mainstream public to keep her in check.

-While Hudak has the same sliminess factor as McGuinty, he's the least of the three evils in this election. Not of himself, but rather despite himself. For starters, he's not nearly as smooth a liar as Horwath. In fact, there's absolutely nothing smooth about this reject at all. He couldn't hide his sliminess if his life depended on it (he even tried to hide it during the debate & of course during his campaigning, yet I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees his sliminess simply oozing out of him). Of course that's juss his demeanor, but even in his voting record, he's pure slimeball; he's voted against good conscience and sound public service in favour of climbing up the ladder of amongst backroom power brokers ever since the 90s. And even his 'concession' in the debate last week was that of not responding to Horwath repeatedly addressing his desire to 'give a blank check to corporations.'

W/all that in mind, there's no doubt about it: he's a greedy pig whose estatic he's finally a front-runner, for all the backroom perks he can obtain at our lawful standard-of-living's expense. However, his piggyness has blinded him to the fact that he's campaigned against smoothly achieving this desire of his despite himself, w/o even truly understanding that he's done so. He achieved this not only by building his whole campaign on slamming all of McGuinty's means to his 'extra curriculiar' activities, but also by taking pages out of Dr. Ron Paul's campaign of smaller gov't and cutting wasteful spending & eliminating McGuinty's tax programs (but of course not at all having Ron's voting record etc. but rather doing opposites thereof, thus showing Hudak's a pretender). Translation: Hudak's plan to get the economy rolling is not only the most fundamentally sound way to get the economy rolling on all cylinders, it's also the EASIEST & most EFFICIENT to implement. This by virtue of the plan's nature (thank you, Ron Paul!) AND it's consistent w/the low taxes PM Stephen Harper has fought for & thus kept Canada faring much better than much of the States since the '08 collapse. There's nothing but backroom politics stopping Hudak from delivering what he's said he'll do, for real. Thus, if Hudak delays on his campaign promises, deviates in any way from his campaign promises, blatantly does away w/them or is half-assed in delivering on them (and thus enjoying the criminal perks through the tax-grabs McGuinty's system has made way for), then there will be call for a Federal inquiry as to why on each point. Even more, even if the Federal inquiry doesn't step in, b/c there's no legitimate 'red-tape' stopping him from easily & efficiently doing away w/all the assortment of taxes & funnel programs McGuinty's introduced, a local police inquiry unto a criminal investigation would have full grounds to begin - which of course would completely fuck up his desire to fullfill his greed & those who've made the way for it under McGuinty.

So despite Hudak's greedy nature being right with McGuinty & Horwath's (the latter who seems to be a potentially beneficiary, given how they willingly made eachother look good at eachother's expense during the debate), he's literally trapped himself from acting on it, risking jail time if he does, by clearly & going hard with taking pages out of Ron Paul's campaigning, clearly saying how he'll do away w/ McGuinty's taxes & programs.

Thus, my vote is for Hudak this 10-6-2011, despite my strong dislike for him. It's all about eliminating McGuinty's taxes, and Hudak has trapped himself into fulfilling promises to do so, at the expense of his greedy nature by virtue of copying Ron Paul!

Ron Paul FTW!!! Ontario style, friends!

I was juss listening to some old Cdn rock from my youth before the Guns'n'Roses concert on youtube last night & again today, and posted some songs that make me think of these election candidates n stuff. Enjoy:


Someguy again 10-04-2011 06:15 PM

toronto behind calgary in public transit investments?

Chiggmo 10-04-2011 08:04 PM

Voting Liberal is never good, PERIOD!

jeffb 10-04-2011 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by Chiggmo (Post 574042)
Voting Liberal is never good, PERIOD!

I disagree.

Someguy again 10-04-2011 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by Chiggmo (Post 574042)
Voting Liberal is never good, PERIOD!

voting conservative is probably the same way

jeffb 10-04-2011 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by Someguy again (Post 574061)
voting conservative is probably the same way

I'd vote Liberal long before i'd vote for the Conservatives.

GrannyFro 10-05-2011 12:05 AM

they're all a bunch of criminals that would sell you all out for a dollar. The only difference is liberals need to play the card of the people where as conservatives out right tell you they're going to fuck you in the ass with their policy's(less regulation on corporations, more regulation on you)

i don't vote cause all parties/politicians disgust me but if we're being honest i defintely wish more blown out knees on the people that vote conseravtive.

we're talking livingston blowouts

Benzo 10-05-2011 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by GrannyFro (Post 574083)
they're all a bunch of criminals that would sell you all out for a dollar. The only difference is liberals need to play the card of the people where as conservatives out right tell you they're going to fuck you in the ass with their policy's(less regulation on corporations, more regulation on you)

i don't vote cause all parties/politicians disgust me but if we're being honest i defintely wish more blown out knees on the people that vote conseravtive.

we're talking livingston blowouts

Love your posts Granny, but you are wrong about the bolded. I do agree that all 3 of these peeps are pretty much "party potatoes".

While I respect your right to not vote, I do think you should still go to your voting centre and exercise your right to spoil your ballot.

As far as blown out knees for conservative voters, I can't disagree. People who vote on conservative are clearly standing too much these days.

LX 10-05-2011 04:00 PM

What has Harper done since he got his majority? Tried to shut down injection sites, introduced a massive crime bill that will see the need for massive prisons, deflected calls by a substantial number in his party calling for controls on abortion, and introduced copyright legislation that criminalizes file sharing. And parliament has only been sitting for a few weeks. That feels like a pretty good bit of regulation on me.

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