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Old 08-29-2008, 06:43 PM   #21 (permalink)
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the only reason bush was re-elected was because kerry was a dumbass.

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i'm curious if out-sourcing in accordance to nafta would be punishable with his implemented taxes. its his plan to have america working for america, building its economy from within, so i wonder if this is going to cut the intercontinental opportunities american corporations have given us and mexico.
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Old 08-29-2008, 08:44 PM   #22 (permalink)
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the only reason bush was re-elected was because kerry was a dumbass.

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i'm curious if out-sourcing in accordance to nafta would be punishable with his implemented taxes. its his plan to have america working for america, building its economy from within, so i wonder if this is going to cut the intercontinental opportunities american corporations have given us and mexico.
hope so!
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the only reason bush was re-elected was because kerry was a dumbass.

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i'm curious if out-sourcing in accordance to nafta would be punishable with his implemented taxes. its his plan to have america working for america, building its economy from within, so i wonder if this is going to cut the intercontinental opportunities american corporations have given us and mexico.
Kerry was a dumbass, yes.Bush though had an approval rating at 35% at the time (20% now).If i was American, i would have voted for Gumby before re-electing that moronic illiterate boob!
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Old 08-30-2008, 12:30 AM   #24 (permalink)
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the only reason bush was re-elected was because kerry was a dumbass.

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i'm curious if out-sourcing in accordance to nafta would be punishable with his implemented taxes. its his plan to have america working for america, building its economy from within, so i wonder if this is going to cut the intercontinental opportunities american corporations have given us and mexico.
a bit drunk now, so forgive me if my answer is unclear. no doubt obama raises some protectionist fears, but it may just be time for that. anything that detracts from the 'Empire' image is a positive, when seen on an international scale. that said, he cannot ignore the benefits of, at the very least, a north american economy that has fluidity and a minimal amount of barriers. this is why i think you will see a gradual softening of that nafta stance (...neneh cherry...) that he took when battling clinton. at this point it's a factor of creating and maintaining jobs in america while at the same time remaining competitive and flexible in a global market. it's not easy, and no doubt he will not achieve all that he promises, but if the end result is a decrease in the 'global empire' rhetoric and foreign policy and an increase in trust, respect and mutual cooperation on an international scale, then the nafta/out-sourcing/taxation/mexico connundrum takes a well-deserved back seat for me.
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Old 08-30-2008, 12:21 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I'm not really big into U.S. politics. I'm not really a political guy in general.
That being said, i wonder if any of you watched the Obama speech yesterday?

I caught some parts on youtube, and what dude said made a lot of sense. Again, i don't follow politics at all, and i'll straight up say that i don't know much of Obama's policies, but i'd like to know what you think of the whole preseidential race.

and if i can learn a thing or two from this thread, then good for me.
Ditto for me. In fact I have barely any clue as to what is going on right now. But when I was in the States for a trip I did see a lot of Obama and "Vote for Obama" shirts so I can guess that Barrack is gonna win
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I really think Obama wants to do positive things, but when/if he wins and gets to the white house, he will realize if he gets 10% of his overall plan going, it will be an accomplishment, thats just the way Washington works, nobody does things for you, unless you do things for them, nevermind whats best for the country.
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Okay, so the reason I find him a tad overrated is because, really he's appealing to popular sentiment without really having any discussion as to a plan. It reminds me of University when presidential elections came up and each candidate said a lot of nice things, but never really discussed HOW they were going to do those things. And when listening to Obama speak, I get the same sense.

Secondly, I don't think he's that knowledgeable of foreign policy. I think he has a very simplistic view of it. Simply saying "we'll get out of Iraq" demonstrates that idea, well at least from my perspective. Geopolitically they're there for awhile but I think again, it's the popular thing to say. Leaving now would be disastorous for the entire region. To be honest, it reminds me of speeches said during the Vietnam war and the presidential debates.

Now, could his VP be a specialist on foreign policy? Maybe. Could he establish a cabinent similar to Kennedy's? Sure. But strictly speaking about Obama the man, and how important foreign policy is right now, I don't think he has it in him.

In regards to domestic policy, I think he has the right idea and could implement it. I think he has sufficient knowledge of the process that he could do a very good job when it comes to passing domestic policies. But alot of this reminds me of Kennedy, speak of a Camelot and the masses will follow even when you're an inadequate president when it comes to dealing with geopolitical matters. Obama seems identical imo.
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well, first of all the republicans scare the piss out of me, mccain or not, so that's going to taint my responses, no doubt.

to me obama represents precisely the kind of foreign policy the us needs right now. the world is watching this election very closely, more closely than ever before, and it's not because they're hoping someone will come out to save them from militaristic terrorist attacks and rogue states.

much of the world, western countries included, hate the us because they see it as intrinsically imperialist and threatening. obama represents the possibility of a more hopeful and cooperative america. one that is more pacifist in nature and one that is more concerned with building up it's interior than pushing into someone else's.

a figurehead like this, and a figurehead is very much what the president has been for the last 30 years, will be tougher to make out as a target. it will be a lot harder for osama to justify, throughout the muslim world, an attack on obama's vision of america than mccain's, for instance. if this is all the foreign policy work he accomplishes while in office i'll be happy. sure, he may have to stay in iraq longer than planned, but the administration will deal with that when necessary. every president inherits the mess of the predecessor. the fact is that's it's as much about us pr as anything else, and in most of the world obama would be a much, much better salesman.

domestic policy is another thing, but i think we understand each other's perspective on this already.
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well, first of all the republicans scare the piss out of me, mccain or not, so that's going to taint my responses, no doubt.

to me obama represents precisely the kind of foreign policy the us needs right now. the world is watching this election very closely, more closely than ever before, and it's not because they're hoping someone will come out to save them from militaristic terrorist attacks and rogue states.

much of the world, western countries included, hate the us because they see it as intrinsically imperialist and threatening. obama represents the possibility of a more hopeful and cooperative america. one that is more pacifist in nature and one that is more concerned with building up it's interior than pushing into someone else's.

a figurehead like this, and a figurehead is very much what the president has been for the last 30 years, will be tougher to make out as a target. it will be a lot harder for osama to justify, throughout the muslim world, an attack on obama's vision of america than mccain's, for instance. if this is all the foreign policy work he accomplishes while in office i'll be happy. sure, he may have to stay in iraq longer than planned, but the administration will deal with that when necessary. every president inherits the mess of the predecessor. the fact is that's it's as much about us pr as anything else, and in most of the world obama would be a much, much better salesman.

domestic policy is another thing, but i think we understand each other's perspective on this already.
'trane, I agree that the republicans frighten me as well. McCain is simply a continuation of the policies present in this administration right now. And after reading some articles I can see members of the press already beginning to defend this administrations gains, espescially on how it handled the Gerogian crisis.

I do like what Obama has to say in regards to foreign policy but I think it's too optimistic rather than realistic. If he decreases the amount in Iraq for instance, he should be careful that it doesn't further destabilize the region. If he does this and makes sure that Iraq doesn't just well, explode then I'll be ridiculously happy. But I don't think this will do anything to calm attacks against the U.S. Obama will simply be seen as a traitor from the perspective of terrorists organizations. Is this enough reason to not vote for him? No.

Personally, I would've enjoyed Hillary on the ticket because she brings a wealth of experience in regards to knowing how both foreign and domestic policy work.
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