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Old 11-04-2008, 11:43 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Hugo Chavez is a douche but he has never said that. Niether about the twin tower attacks or the bombs in the trains of madrid.
Venezuela is a democracy as valid as the US.
Well, he actually got elected, not like Mr Bush.

Bush got elected the second time!The funniest part of all of this,is that George W. won a bigger margin in 2004 then when he supposedly won in 2000.You'd think that by 2004 with approval ratings hovering around 40% at the time, the American people would have wised up and got his uneducated ass outta there,no??

It always boggled my mind that they even came close to re-electing that bumbling moron.Let alone actually re-electing him!
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:46 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Hugo Chavez is a douche but he has never said that. Niether about the twin tower attacks or the bombs in the trains of madrid.
Venezuela is a democracy as valid as the US.
Well, he actually got elected, not like Mr Bush.
The FARC and ELN, government backed agencies in Venezuela, have kidnapped, and swore to attack another democraticly elected government in Columbia.

Er-go- Terrorists.

But so was Luke Skywalker by my math.
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:55 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Just for the record. America is the most benign superpower in the history of the earth.

If the world wants America, to fix its own problems, fair enough. Stop turning to them for help. Everytime, something goes down, the world looks to America



It matters not, and I think you know that.

Look I totally agree America has issues, that need ot be fixed. I agree they need to get out of some of the things they have dipped there hand in. I'm just a little concerned about a Obama Government, with a democratic house, and senate.

So if people like Alec Baldwin want America out of Iraq, stop asking them to go fix Darfour in the next breath.
there are so many things wrong with this post, i don't even know where to start.

how about at the beginning - you have stated on this forum many times that the us is the most benign superpower in history. this is populist rhetoric and you know it. in many ways it has been benign, but it has imnpoverished countless countries through the legalized criminality (yes, i mean that) of things like the imf and the world bank. read confessions of an economic hitman (i put a link in the 'books thread' a couple of months ago) if you want some information on that. benign militarily, perhaps (perhaps), but incredibly aggressive economically.

if america wants to help, and the world does want their help, there are many, many ways that they can do so without invading.

the point about suicide bombers, attacks and a black man named barack does matter. politicians are figureheads. it's a lot easier to burn an effigy of someone that is an 'other'. getting people to rally around the burning of a 'white imperialist oil tycoon' (even if the person isn't actually that) is easy if thet's the type of person they already hate. barack represents something else. this is the biggest and best opportunity the states have had since kennedy. if they spoil it, it's a huge loss.

with the democrats controlling the presidency and the house, people like me finally have hope that something will be done to repair america's social fabric. this is the best news i've heard in years from that country. my opinion.

the alec baldwin comment was a non-sequitur. anyways, as i said, there are many ways to help without invading. the first step to that is making people understand that imperialism is not your aim. unfortunately, for the successive republican (and many democrat) administrations, imperialism was their aim. i only hope that obama can reverse that and enter a new era of diplomacy not based on fear and intimidation.

if america wants to be a benign superpower, it's well within their grasp. starting wars over oil doesn't help.
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:58 AM   #24 (permalink)
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The FARC and ELN, government backed agencies in Venezuela, have kidnapped, and swore to attack another democraticly elected government in Columbia.

Er-go- Terrorists.

But so was Luke Skywalker by my math.

Venezuela has never backed las Farc, thats like saying Spain is a terrorist country cause there are groups that back ETA. Venezuela has actually helped Colombia retrieve prisoners.
You are saying Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Ecuador, Paraguay, Uruguay, Spain are terrorrist countries cause they work with venezuela basically.

Im out of this cause I always end up getting mad when I discuss politics.
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:01 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Just for the record. America is the most benign superpower in the history of the earth.

If the world wants America, to fix its own problems, fair enough. Stop turning to them for help. Everytime, something goes down, the world looks to America



It matters not, and I think you know that.

Look I totally agree America has issues, that need ot be fixed. I agree they need to get out of some of the things they have dipped there hand in. I'm just a little concerned about a Obama Government, with a democratic house, and senate.

So if people like Alec Baldwin want America out of Iraq, stop asking them to go fix Darfour in the next breath.

Wrong. That is all. You're blinding yourself. Sorry Benz, but brush up on your history.

If we're taking the past 90 years as them as a super power, then they have as much blood on their hands as many other empires.
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:01 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Bush got elected the second time!The funniest part of all of this,is that George W. won a bigger margin in 2004 then when he supposedly won in 2000.You'd think that by 2004 with approval ratings hovering around 40% at the time, the American people would have wised up and got his uneducated ass outta there,no??

It always boggled my mind that they even came close to re-electing that bumbling moron.Let alone actually re-electing him!
To be fair, had I a vote in the 2004 election, I wouldn't have known who to vote for. In 2000, it would definitely have been for Gore; however, I really couln't stand Kerry and I definitely couldn't stand Bush (still hate both of them) so ... yeah, had I a vote, it would have been a hard one for me personally.
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there are so many things wrong with this post, i don't even know where to start.

how about at the beginning - you have stated on this forum many times that the us is the most benign superpower in history. this is populist rhetoric and you know it. in many ways it has been benign, but it has imnpoverished countless countries through the legalized criminality (yes, i mean that) of things like the imf and the world bank. read confessions of an economic hitman (i put a link in the 'books thread' a couple of months ago) if you want some information on that. benign militarily, perhaps (perhaps), but incredibly aggressive economically.

if america wants to help, and the world does want their help, there are many, many ways that they can do so without invading.

the point about suicide bombers, attacks and a black man named barack does matter. politicians are figureheads. it's a lot easier to burn an effigy of someone that is an 'other'. getting people to rally around the burning of a 'white imperialist oil tycoon' (even if the person isn't actually that) is easy if thet's the type of person they already hate. barack represents something else. this is the biggest and best opportunity the states have had since kennedy. if they spoil it, it's a huge loss.

with the democrats controlling the presidency and the house, people like me finally have hope that something will be done to repair america's social fabric. this is the best news i've heard in years from that country. my opinion.

the alec baldwin comment was a non-sequitur. anyways, as i said, there are many ways to help without invading. the first step to that is making people understand that imperialism is not your aim. unfortunately, for the successive republican (and many democrat) administrations, imperialism was their aim. i only hope that obama can reverse that and enter a new era of diplomacy not based on fear and intimidation.

if america wants to be a benign superpower, it's well within their grasp. starting wars over oil doesn't help.
I absolutly respect everything you just said. In a perfect world, it would be the perfect senario. We don't live in that world though. We live in a world that has walls and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? Belsuis? You, 'Trane? America has a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Iraqi's and curse the Marines; you have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what they know: that war, while tragic, probably saved lives and that America's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties you want America on that wall, you need America on that wall. They use words like honor, code, loyalty. They use then as the backbone of a life trying to defend something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a men who rise and sleep under the blanket of the very freedom America provides and then questions the manner in which they provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.


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In all seriousness, I am not going to win this fight.

CG- From an Imperialistic stand point they absolutly are the most benign superpower in history.

I respect you all, but the truth of the matter is, like all things, history will judge our times, I am just of the opinion that they will look back, and see the Bush years in not such a dark light as we gaze on them today.

How about those raps.
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I absolutly respect everything you just said. In a perfect world, it would be the perfect senario. We don't live in that world though. We live in a world that has walls and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? Belsuis? You, 'Trane? America has a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Iraqi's and curse the Marines; you have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what they know: that war, while tragic, probably saved lives and that America's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties you want America on that wall, you need America on that wall. They use words like honor, code, loyalty. They use then as the backbone of a life trying to defend something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a men who rise and sleep under the blanket of the very freedom America provides and then questions the manner in which they provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

wow. i would be insulted if i thought you had a clue who i was or what you wrote there.

i 'weep for iragis and curse the marines'??? really?

'a greater responsibility than i can fathom'??? really?

you do know that i am a student of history and have a masters on political science right? that i probably know a lot more than you about all of what we're discussing here...? right?

careful of your chin. i see you knee jeeking so hard you might end up hurting yourself.
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if america wants to be a benign superpower, it's well within their grasp. starting wars over oil doesn't help.
Do you have anything to back up this assine statement. If so I would live to hear it
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wow. i would be insulted if i thought you had a clue who i was or what you wrote there.

i 'weep for iragis and curse the marines'??? really?

'a greater responsibility than i can fathom'??? really?

you do know that i am a student of history and have a masters on political science right? that i probably know a lot more than you about all of what we're discussing here...? right?

careful of your chin. i see you knee jeeking so hard you might end up hurting yourself.

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wow. i would be insulted if i thought you had a clue who i was or what you wrote there.

i 'weep for iragis and curse the marines'??? really?

'a greater responsibility than i can fathom'??? really?

you do know that i am a student of history and have a masters on political science right? that i probably know a lot more than you about all of what we're discussing here...? right?

careful of your chin. i see you knee jeeking so hard you might end up hurting yourself.
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Do you have anything to back up this assine statement. If so I would live to hear it
if you're going to call me asinine, spell it right.

how about:

diplomacy
foreign aid
peacekeeping
leadership
cooperation
nation building
capacity building

just to name a few.
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In all seriousness, I am not going to win this fight.

CG- From an Imperialistic stand point they absolutly are the most benign superpower in history.

I respect you all, but the truth of the matter is, like all things, history will judge our times, I am just of the opinion that they will look back, and see the Bush years in not such a dark light as we gaze on them today.

How about those raps.
Oh, they will. We'll be dealing with the problems he created for years to come.

I've been a reader of Eric Margolis for a few years. I think he understands the world and its intricacies in a way that most people don't.

If the world could vote in next week’s US election, Obama would win by a landslide, as this column reported from Paris last April. People abroad see in Obama everything they hope the US will become after the dark Bush years though his foreign policies still remain vague and his experience limited. John McCain is right when he says he spent more time in a Vietnamese prisoner of war camp than Obama has spent in the Senate. But after eight years of catastrophic Republican mismanagement and flirtation with neo-fascism, the Democrats should by all rights win by a monster landslide, though polls say otherwise.

Obama projects a positive image of America. His intelligence, eloquence, social consciousness and dignity stand in contrast to the bumbling Bush and the sinister Cheney, who were detested around the globe. But non-Americans do not yet see how much Obama has already become prisoner of Washington’s powerful special interests. Money, not ideology, remains the lifeblood of American politics.

Despite his flawed Mideast and Afghan policies, Obama offers a return to more moderate US foreign policy that does not entirely rely on military power to advance its goals. His election would show the world that America’s principals of equality and equal opportunity really exist. An Obama victory will raise America’s worldwide standing and begin repairing the monumental damage inflicted on US overseas interests by the Bush administration.
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if you're going to call me assinine, spell it right.

how about:

diplomacy
foreign aid
peacekeeping
leadership
cooperation
nation building
capacity building

just to name a few.
this is not about my spelling, its about a statement that you made and I am asking you to back up that statement. Which you do not seem to be able to do
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wow. i would be insulted if i thought you had a clue who i was or what you wrote there.

i 'weep for iragis and curse the marines'??? really?

'a greater responsibility than i can fathom'??? really?

you do know that i am a student of history and have a masters on political science right? that i probably know a lot more than you about all of what we're discussing here...? right?

careful of your chin. i see you knee jeeking so hard you might end up hurting yourself.
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Eric Margolis is a socalist with a hard on to destory america.
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Hey how did a Magic fan get in here...

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One of the dangers we face from Obama "The Wealth Spreader", is that free speech on the airways is in danger. The fairness doctrine, which the democrats are so much in favor of will eliminate conservatine talk radio shows from the airways. Is censorship the way you want to go, would you want that in Canada
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