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DVS 07-14-2010 09:54 PM

Mosque at Ground Zero
 
Weigh in on Ground Zero Mosque
Posted: 10:22 AM ET

A plan to build a mosque near Ground Zero - sacred ground for many Americans - is being met with outrage.

At issue: a 19th-century building and whether it can be designated a landmark. If it is designated a landmark, the original building will remain. If not, American Muslim groups will tear it down and move ahead with plans to build an inter-faith community center and mosque.

Both sides continue to go head-to-head on the issue. Their most recent face-off: a passionate three-hour hearing held by New York’s Landmarks Preservation Commission last night. Those opposing the mosque dominated the hearing.

"It would be a terrible mistake to destroy a 154-year-old building in order to build a monument to terrorism," one woman said.

"We feel that it is a cemetery and sacred ground and the dead should be honored," Pamela Geller, a conservative blogger, said on CNN’s American Morning. "To build a 13-story mega mosque on the cemetery, on the site of the largest attack in American history, I think, is incredibly insensitive."

On the other side- some Muslim community leaders say the mosque could provide an opportunity for improving interfaith relations. "We're saying Muslims have a legitimate role to play in the social fabric of this country," said Ibrahim Ramey, the director of the Human and Civil Rights Division of the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation, on CNN's "American Morning.”

"I'm ashamed to be an American today," said Rakif Gathwari, a Muslim-American, who reminded the crowd that people from many countries and religions died on September 11.



http://newsroom.blogs.cnn.com/2010/0...d-zero-mosque/


Love to hear peoples views on this. I find it a facinating debate I hope it catches a little steam here

the_ raps_analyst 07-14-2010 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DVS (Post 409755)
Weigh in on Ground Zero Mosque
Posted: 10:22 AM ET

A plan to build a mosque near Ground Zero - sacred ground for many Americans - is being met with outrage.

At issue: a 19th-century building and whether it can be designated a landmark. If it is designated a landmark, the original building will remain. If not, American Muslim groups will tear it down and move ahead with plans to build an inter-faith community center and mosque.

Both sides continue to go head-to-head on the issue. Their most recent face-off: a passionate three-hour hearing held by New York’s Landmarks Preservation Commission last night. Those opposing the mosque dominated the hearing.

"It would be a terrible mistake to destroy a 154-year-old building in order to build a monument to terrorism," one woman said.

"We feel that it is a cemetery and sacred ground and the dead should be honored," Pamela Geller, a conservative blogger, said on CNN’s American Morning. "To build a 13-story mega mosque on the cemetery, on the site of the largest attack in American history, I think, is incredibly insensitive."

On the other side- some Muslim community leaders say the mosque could provide an opportunity for improving interfaith relations. "We're saying Muslims have a legitimate role to play in the social fabric of this country," said Ibrahim Ramey, the director of the Human and Civil Rights Division of the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation, on CNN's "American Morning.”

"I'm ashamed to be an American today," said Rakif Gathwari, a Muslim-American, who reminded the crowd that people from many countries and religions died on September 11.



http://newsroom.blogs.cnn.com/2010/0...d-zero-mosque/


Love to hear peoples views on this. I find it a facinating debate I hope it catches a little steam here

Ignorant ass

Gurk 07-14-2010 10:53 PM

Why not? Only ignorant people who think cuz some Muslims caused this think that all Muslims are now to blame and are all terrorists

Febreezy 07-14-2010 10:54 PM

Pretty sensitive issue.
And leave it to an American to not be ignorant. :cwm34:

XiaominWu 07-14-2010 11:10 PM

i have no problem with the cultural centre, but really frown on tearing down historic architecture. tsk tsk.

this really should have nothing to do with religion.

thought 07-14-2010 11:24 PM

it looks to me like the muslims are just trying to start shit. of course the americans aren't going to appreciate muslim-architecture on the site of a muslim-attack, they know this. they get what they want when the americans protest, "look at us, we want to build a religious structure and they won't let us, we're oppressed."

realistically it should have nothing to do with the religious affiliation of the architecture and everything to do with where it's being built. unfortunately you get a problem that's right in the middle.

Windex 07-15-2010 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thought (Post 409833)
it looks to me like the muslims are just trying to start shit. of course the americans aren't going to appreciate muslim-architecture on the site of a muslim-attack, they know this. they get what they want when the americans protest, "look at us, we want to build a religious structure and they won't let us, we're oppressed."

this

DVS 07-15-2010 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XiaominWu (Post 409820)
i have no problem with the cultural centre, but really frown on tearing down historic architecture. tsk tsk.

this really should have nothing to do with religion.

I agree you build a mosque then build a church of every religion that is practised in American. That would be dumb so a Cultural centre would be something more politically correct.

ColangeloIsGod 07-15-2010 12:03 PM

I see no problem with it, only people without brains think only Muslim extremists were behind the heinous acts of 9/11. Sad really, when they are living with terrorists in their own government and are so oblivious to the facts.

Renihan_00 07-15-2010 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColangeloIsGod (Post 410046)
I see no problem with it, only people without brains think only Muslim extremists were behind the heinous acts of 9/11. Sad really, when they are living with terrorists in their own government and are so oblivious to the facts.

While I understand and agree with your point you can't discount the emotional angle in all of this.

If a christian fundamentalist blew up one of your family members houses because "they were a sinner" how would you feel if a christian church was put in it's place?

It would certainly rub me the wrong way.

Additionally, I would be worried for the safety of the people who are members of the mosque. I wouldn't put it passed an "american extremist" (aka an ignorant dumb ass) to blow the place up.

Have to go with no for those reasons.

Bill Haverchuck 07-15-2010 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColangeloIsGod (Post 410046)
I see no problem with it, only people without brains think only Muslim extremists were behind the heinous acts of 9/11. Sad really, when they are living with terrorists in their own government and are so oblivious to the facts.

*takes bait*

What exactly do you mean by "were behind the heninous acts"? You are clearly allocating responsibility to others parties, aside from the Muslim extremists. And based on the following sentence, it seems as though you are suggesting the American government was somehow "behind" 9/11.

Now, to be clear, I think the American government, like a number of governments, has some douchenozzles working within various departments and affiliated agencies, but to suggest the US government was somehow behind 9/11 is a bold statement. Do you mean indirectly? For example, are you refering to the government implementing shitty foreign policy? Or are you going to suggest the US government played a bigger role?

Elaborate.

lonewolfpoet 07-15-2010 03:22 PM

They can build their mosque somewhere else, why do they have to build it at ground zero?

If they get approval and build it, I bet it will get vandalized or worse continuously. It's a lose-lose proposition.

thought 07-15-2010 03:28 PM

Either way, shit will go down. I feel like that was the goal from the start.

Aar_Canada 07-15-2010 04:05 PM

I'd vote for "religion shouldn't exist, period" but I don't see it as an option.

Stonezz 07-15-2010 04:05 PM

Word a Masjid shouldn't be built there because of what happened before. It would only 'cause conflict and this is coming from a Muslim dude.

Stonezz 07-15-2010 04:07 PM

Btw I hate the word Mosque, back in the day I think it was Spaniards that said they're gonna swat Muslims like Mosquitoes, people say that's where the word came from. Not entirely sure though.

XiaominWu 07-15-2010 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DVS (Post 409954)
I agree you build a mosque then build a church of every religion that is practised in American. That would be dumb so a Cultural centre would be something more politically correct.

well, based on the stuff i read, that's exactly what it is.... a cultural/community centre for kids to have a place to hang out.... that happens to have a multi-faith worship area. and the dude behind it happens to be muslim. so i have no problem with any of that.

don't be tearing down historic buildings to make it happen, though.

Someguy again 07-15-2010 09:19 PM

maybe is a symbol from urban planners to show the world that america is willing to move on from its ignorance and place something of importance to islam near ground zero to show the world that they stopped blaming muslims for everything and instead blame the extremists and terrorists responsible.

Febreezy 07-15-2010 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Someguy again (Post 410395)
maybe is a symbol from urban planners to show the world that america is willing to move on from its ignorance and place something of importance to islam near ground zero to show the world that they stopped blaming muslims for everything and instead blame the extremists and terrorists responsible.

You're a smart guy, hard to say that to a lot of people.

Renihan_00 07-16-2010 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Someguy again (Post 410395)
maybe is a symbol from urban planners to show the world that america is willing to move on from its ignorance and place something of importance to islam near ground zero to show the world that they stopped blaming muslims for everything and instead blame the extremists and terrorists responsible.

While this is a nice gesture, the problem would be who are they speaking on behalf of?

Because your average american doesn't feel that way.


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