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View Poll Results: Would you approve of a Mosque being built on Ground Zero
Yes, it creates unity 17 58.62%
No, religion shouldn't be mixed with ground zero 8 27.59%
Whats a Mosque? 4 13.79%
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Old 08-18-2010, 09:41 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I'm kinda surprised at the poll results.
I thought Canadians would be more clear-minded, so I'm interested to hear some counterpoints.

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it looks to me like the muslims are just trying to start shit. of course the americans aren't going to appreciate muslim-architecture on the site of a muslim-attack, they know this. they get what they want when the americans protest, "look at us, we want to build a religious structure and they won't let us, we're oppressed."

realistically it should have nothing to do with the religious affiliation of the architecture and everything to do with where it's being built. unfortunately you get a problem that's right in the middle.
After the 9/11 attacks, I really can't see how Muslims would want to have more negative attention on themselves.
I'm sorry man, but I find this really ignorant.
Nothing has come out of this recent news topic but blatant discrimination against Muslims. I'm not just talking about in New York, but proposed mosques have been protested against all over the United States.
This is not a statement by Muslims or attention grab.

Political parties do this shit all the time. This is political science all over again.
The 9/11 responders bill. Healthcare for the heroes of one of the most tragic events in American history. Defeated. The Republicans were against it because of additional taxation (against corporations with offshore operations), and also because Democrats wanted to use a 2/3rds majority.
The bill flopping looks bad on Republicans. It looks bad on everybody.

I don't know. I find this whole thing just a little sad.
It makes me sigh a little when I'm reading the newspaper in the morning.

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Old 08-18-2010, 09:53 PM   #62 (permalink)
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It makes me sigh a little when I'm reading the newspaper in the morning.
I gave up on the news after following cbc.ca and the amount of racists on their forums. The news is always depressing and doesn't necessarily keep us informed.

You're more likely to die from a car accident, plane crash, than a terrorist attacks. It's pure fear mongering.

Terrorists from all races, cultures and religions have existed. The media is focusing on muslim ones for some reason and painting all muslims as terrorist. There are supposedly 1.3 billion muslims in this world. If more than 0.01 % of them were terrorists, the world would be in upheaval.

On another issue. I gave up my religion years ago. I'm born and raised in Canada and have met too many great people from all religions. I can't be a part of just one anymore.
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Old 08-18-2010, 09:58 PM   #63 (permalink)
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That area isn't even a residential area. I'd love to know how many muslims live in a neighbourhood radius of this new mosque and how it serves the community if at all.


This is all pretty much a disaster.
Muslims are supposed to pray 5 times a day. Meaning they'd want a place of worship near their workplace. Also, their holy day lies on a working day. It only makes sense to have in that location, which employs a lot of people of the islamic faith.
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right now i would say no because say for those family members that lost someone in the bombing, how do we know any of them wont feel hatred towards them?
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theyre not going to build it cause they need $100 mil, unless they miraculously come up with that much dough
so I dont know what the big deal is
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right now i would say no because say for those family members that lost someone in the bombing, how do we know any of them wont feel hatred towards them?
That's the point. Why feel hatred for them?

The people who want to build this islamic cultural center already have one in that same area. It's in the basement of an building. That group of islamic people have been at that basement since before the world trade center was even built in the 70's. What do those people have to do the 9/11 attacks? Nothing.

Like I said, there are apparently over 1.3 billion muslims in the world. Even if 0.001 percent of them were terrorists (which is a very high number, and probably too high), why should other muslim people be discriminated against?

I have muslims in my family and they're proud to be american, canadian, british etc. I know muslims who live in new york. Why should they have to move their new cultural center because of misguided intolerance?
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theyre not going to build it cause they need $100 mil, unless they miraculously come up with that much dough
so I dont know what the big deal is
Neither do I. To me it's a zoning issue. Yet, every right wing republican is sticking their nose into this making a national security issue.

newt gingrich suggested that americans should fear sharia law....

Talk about, talking crap. I would bet money that the vast majority of muslims who chose to leave their countries to come to America wanted to leave Sharia law behind....Also, there is only one country in the world who allows Sharia Law. And thats Saudi Arabia. Nigeria and Pakistan have it outlawed (it's practiced in the tribal areas)

India, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Pakistan proper, etc would never recognize Sharia Law. SO why would america even fear it coming?
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Muslims are supposed to pray 5 times a day. Meaning they'd want a place of worship near their workplace. Also, their holy day lies on a working day. It only makes sense to have in that location, which employs a lot of people of the islamic faith.
Why does a Mosque have to be built in a place of political disaster. I've seen muslims pray at many public places so a place of refuge at this particular place really isn't needed. You could build a mosque anywhere and like I said before I bet you won't find many residences in the perimeter of this mosque. Money could be served better for the Muslim people somewhere else. Yes their are other places of worship build in obscure places but usually these buidlings have been around for years and years.

Personally I dont' really get why religion has to be mixed up with political instances. Leave religion in the heart it is after all the 21st century we should be more aware what religion means in our lives.

Love to see a catholic church get built right smack dab beside Mecca and see what happens then
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Love to see a catholic church get built right smack dab beside Mecca and see what happens then
I would too! I hope one day we can all just get along and pray and believe and not pray and not believe side by side without hatred.
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I would too! I hope one day we can all just get along and pray and believe and not pray and not believe side by side without hatred.
Well we are far from that. The problem with this project is that it will feed the machine of hatred. The Muslim extremists would say "look we took down the towers and a mosque got built right in the vicinity of it HA HA" and the american who extremely hates muslims you know the "burn the Qua'ran at church on sunday" guy will just look to vandalize it.

Its just not the right way to go IMHO. Just let ground zero be and do a cultural centre of some sort to show true unity that will match the political correctness of today's world.
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lot of fuss over what is basically a YMCA that isn't funded by christians, rather muslims.

and if you haven't read up on exactly what the details are of the project, why comment about it?
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Love to see a catholic church get built right smack dab beside Mecca and see what happens then
i can't see how mecca and ground zero are at all comparable.
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The problem with this project is that it will feed the machine of hatred.
Especially if the US government intervenes to stop it.
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i can't see how mecca and ground zero are at all comparable.
Not really comparable. How about a Japanese cultural centre at Pearl Harbour
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Especially if the US government intervenes to stop it.
Well we are talking about a country that built itself through war. Heck the national anthem is about war. A 100 million dollar mosque is more about a political statement. Besides this mosque will never get built anyways.
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Not really comparable. How about a Japanese cultural centre at Pearl Harbour
...There's one only 10 minutes away from Pearl Harbour.

Look i'm not trying to act snooty. And I didn't expect you to know that. But really we can't hold the people who want to open this mosque/cultural center responsible for 9/11. As I said previously, that particular group has housed another cultural center within the vicinity well before the towers were even built. They are a part of the community and I'm sure they were shocked and upset with the loss of lives with sept 11. However, why should they be treated differently than any other cultural/religous groups? There are churches even closer to ground zero than this proposed center.

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...There's one only 10 minutes away from Pearl Harbour.

Look i'm not trying to act snooty. And I didn't expect you to know that. But really we can't hold the people who want to open this mosque/cultural center responsible for 9/11.
First off I'd love to see proof of a cultural centre at Pearl Harbour. Hey while we are at it let the Germans build a glorius statue of relevance at Auschwitz. This is about decency and letting the past go beyond us and move forward. Thats my argument. Its the taste and forwardness on how this is being built or what I read about a 100 million dollar mosque. Something different depicting cultures be fine.

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As I said previously, that particular group has housed another cultural center within the vicinity well before the towers were even built. They are a part of the community and I'm sure they were shocked and upset with the loss of lives with sept 11. However, why should they be treated differently than any other cultural/religous groups? There are churches even closer to ground zero than this proposed center.
Again, building a 100 million dollar mosque is different then throwing up a cultural centre. Its just the way its being depicted. Besides no chance a Mosque of that relevance go up on ground zero anyways.
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First off I'd love to see proof of a cultural centre at Pearl Harbour. Hey while we are at it let the Germans build a glorius statue of relevance at Auschwitz. This is about decency and letting the past go beyond us and move forward. Thats my argument. Its the taste and forwardness on how this is being built or what I read about a 100 million dollar mosque. Something different depicting cultures be fine.



Again, building a 100 million dollar mosque is different then throwing up a cultural centre. Its just the way its being depicted. Besides no chance a Mosque of that relevance go up on ground zero anyways.
Just do a search of a Japanese cultural center in Hawaii. It's there. I remember doing the drive.

Look. You're not getting it. You're implying that September 11th was an attack by Islam on America, when it was an Attack by Al Qaeda on America. Why should the 99.999 % of Muslim people be discriminated against by one stupid group that the rest of the population disagrees with?

I'm serious with the numbers too. 0.001 % is a far greater number to associate with terrorism and the muslim faith.
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Again, building a 100 million dollar mosque is different then throwing up a cultural centre. Its just the way its being depicted. Besides no chance a Mosque of that relevance go up on ground zero anyways.
You should watch the video I posted earlier. It's more than just a mosque. There's going to basketball courts, a cooking school, recreational facilities etc. And all faiths are welcome to come. Having such facilities will increase the cost to 100 million dollars.
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Well we are talking about a country that built itself through war. Heck the national anthem is about war. A 100 million dollar mosque is more about a political statement. Besides this mosque will never get built anyways.
I'm not sure I understand the connection between what you've said and what I said. My point is this: if we make a decision on this building strictly on consequentialist criteria, then the building should go up. What better way to stick a thumb in the eye of all Muslims than to say "The only religious building that can't be built near Ground Zero is anything having to do with your faith."
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