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Old 10-17-2012, 11:54 AM   #41 (permalink)
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The big problem is that all politicians, whether right or left, have been given access to the moneyed classes, and they like it. The right takes their agenda to greater extremes, but the left sells out when it comes to solving the real problem of insane inequalities. Neither party answers to the people anymore. There is greater hope (for what that word is worth) that a new FDR will emerge from the ranks of Democrats, so it means something, but at the same time the right is always more ready and able to offer solutions that can be forced on the populace when their manufactured crisis' take root. There is a real possibility that with all the money involved in politics down there, that the Republicans will become the de facto, paid for in full by the one percent, governing party for as long as it takes people to recognize that democracy is as good as done. I hope they go with hope one more time, but the fact that a knob like Romney can make it even close does not hold out a lot of hope in the long run.
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:56 AM   #42 (permalink)
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The big problem is that all politicians, whether right or left, have been given access to the moneyed classes, and they like it. The right takes their agenda to greater extremes, but the left sells out when it comes to solving the real problem of insane inequalities. Neither party answers to the people anymore. There is greater hope (for what that word is worth) that a new FDR will emerge from the ranks of Democrats, so it means something, but at the same time the right is always more ready and able to offer solutions that can be forced on the populace when their manufactured crisis' take root. There is a real possibility that with all the money involved in politics down there, that the Republicans will become the de facto, paid for in full by the one percent, governing party for as long as it takes people to recognize that democracy is as good as done. I hope they go with hope one more time, but the fact that a knob like Romney can make it even close does not hold out a lot of hope in the long run.
And neither side can get together anymore on issues. Never in my life have i heard politicians be so blatant about it. When Obama first took office for instance, you had republican Mitch McConnell come right out and state that their main goal was that the president fail and that he's a one term president. Has anyone ever before that hear a politician be so blatant about that being a goal and main priority? And considering the state of that country at the time, you would think that the collapse of the economy would have been the main goal to try and get straightened out. Rush Limbaugh coming right out and saying that he wishes for the president to fail, questioning that he was american, wagging a finger in his face in public, yeling at him at the state of the union address. And it goes both ways, hell the democrats themselves in the first two years couldn't even get together on their own agenda when they had the chance push through their issues. I don't think i have ever seen partisanship like this.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:32 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Yes there is. Stable economy, opportunities, jobs, healthcare, peace. All of those things ring a bell in my mind as greater good for all men. Greater good for all decent men at least.
1. not "all men" are americans. the border creates a division that is world-shaping. and not all people are men, but that's a different matter and not your point.

2. what is an opportunity and a job for one person may be a serious problem for another. this is exactly what i meant. 'job creation' is a simplistic propaganda sentence and not a real thing that is felt by "all men".

3. healthcare is one of the most divisive issues in the us. how any choice benefits "all men" and all political viewpoints is a mystery to me, and to 300 million americans. even 'decent men' have vastly different ideas on what is best here.

4. peace may indeed be counter-balanced with opportunities for many people, especially those with capital interests in weapons and natural resources.

there are so many ways to cut and slice this. there is no such thing as common good that is in any way universal.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:54 PM   #46 (permalink)
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trane... I don't disagree with ANY of what you just wrote. I question however the accuracy of assuming that more party is going to be more forthright than the other on these issues. LX has it right man.

It's even worse in Canada, party politics are way more slick and duping voters into a text book ideal of what their party is supposed to represent.

You can't run things that way anymore.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:59 PM   #47 (permalink)
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i never said either party is going to be more forthright. i said that they will have different ways of approaching these things, which means that there are such things as right and left. given that divergence of opinion, it also means that there is no such thing as 'the common good'.
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:16 AM   #52 (permalink)
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A Pennsylvania man employed by a company working for the Republican Party of Virginia was arrested by investigators from the Rockingham County Sheriff’s office on Thursday and charged with destroying voter registration forms.

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Old 10-20-2012, 03:20 PM   #55 (permalink)
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:32 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Truth out reports:
"Through a closely held equity fund called Solamere, Mitt Romney and his wife, son and brother are major investors in an investment firm called H.I.G. Capital. H.I.G. in turn holds a majority share and three out of five board members in Hart Intercivic, a company that owns the notoriously faulty electronic voting machines that will count the ballots in swing state Ohio November 7. Hart machines will also be used elsewhere in the United States.
In other words, a candidate for the presidency of the United States, and his brother, wife and son, have a straight-line financial interest in the voting machines that could decide this fall's election. These machines cannot be monitored by the public. But they will help decide who "owns" the White House."
Both The Nation and New York Times confirm the connection between the Romney family, Solamere and the Bain Capital investment in the voting machine company, Hart Intercivic, whose board of directors serve H.I.G. Capital.
"Mitt Romney, his wife Ann Romney, and their son Tagg Romney are also invested in H.I.G. Capital, as is Mitt's brother G. Scott Romney.
The investment comes in part through the privately held family equity firm called Solamere, which bears the name of the posh Utah ski community where the Romney family retreats to slide down the slopes." Truth out added.
There are also political connections between Solamere and the Romney's. "Matt Blunt, the former Missouri governor who backed Mr. Romney in 2008, is a senior adviser to Solamere, as is Mitt Romney’s brother, Scott, a lawyer," according to the New York Times.
Voter ID and voter fraud have been top issues in the 2012 race, as have claims of Republican voter suppression. Mr. Romney's campaign has also been the subject of controversy over misleading ads, false claims, sketchy math on his tax plan, and overall vagueness on women's rights and other hot button issues.
Raising further questions of legitimacy in the Romney campaign is an audio recording recently made public, where Mitt Romney is heard asking independent business owners to apply pressure to their employees to influence their votes. What has also been made public are the emails those employers have sent to their employees with an implied threat that if they don't vote for Romney they may lose their jobs.
What it all says is that Mitt Romney, with the help of his family and Bain Capital connections, is more than willing to try to take the White House through illegitimate and highly unethical, if not specifically illegal means.
With each passing day, the character and campaign methods of Mitt Romney cast an ever-darker shadow over free and fair American elections.
Yet there is an irony in the Romney campaign that cannot be ignored. For all the noise the right-wing has made in questioning the legitimacy of Obama's presidency, there have been so many questionable efforts made to help put Romney in the White House, if he wins, there should be great dispute over whether his election could ever be called genuinely illegitimate.
The nagging question is why, if Mr. Romney truly has the qualities that American voters want in their president, does he have to go to such great and questionable lengths to try to win the election.
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:39 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Nice. And nothing will be done about it.
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Nice. And nothing will be done about it.
Nope, I don't even think it'll be reported in the mainstream media. I said it last week, Romney will win this. Pathetic
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:45 PM   #59 (permalink)
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and we over here in N. America feel so smug when we get reports of corruption and voting scandals from overseas.... as if it wasn't going on here..... it's just a bit less obvious.
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The media looks to be all-in for Romney in a lot of ways. CNN said Romney on the last debate in terms of economic issues. The dude does nothing but lie, and won't say how his math adds up. But he wins.

The money is on the Republican's side. That is the money that owns the media. And right now that money seems to be exerting pressure to have Mitt seen as being Obama's equal and a viable alternative, and more like the average person, which is utterly insane outside f his skin color.

Also, the tv networks, which control the collection and reporting of exit polls, have decided to do away with them altogether in 19 states this year. So we will have that much less evidence of tampering with vote counts. So we have another example of similarities to less trustworthy regimes, with media coordination used to support an oligarchic system.
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