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Old 05-16-2011, 06:18 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 05-16-2011, 09:56 PM   #22 (permalink)
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as for science proving religion false. i don't think so. science is just a bunch of theories that are accepted as the truth until a new theory comes that DISPROVES the previous one and the latest one is accepted as the truth.

EX: before people thought the world was flat until science proved that wrong and its accepted as the truth that the world is round.
isn't that precisely an example of science proving religion wrong?

the beauty of science, and the fundamental problem with religion, is that science accepts, at least in principle, the idea that it can be proven wrong.
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:53 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Iceage...Great Flood, please tell me how they are both related.
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Old 05-16-2011, 11:25 PM   #24 (permalink)
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The "flat earth" story is profoundly misunderstood.

Technically, religion and fable were roughly right first. In the 7th and 8th centuries BCE, Homer and the Mesopotamians held that the earth was a circle. This is likely where the Judaic account of a circular earth resting on a foundation came from (the foundation was considered a flat disk, again a holdover from earlier philosophy in the area).

The Greeks had used rudimentary geometry to determine that the earth was round before Christ, and the round earth was adopted by the majority of Christianity (much like many Greek ideas).

A legitimate disagreement between religion and science would be heliocentrism (sun at the center) vs geocentrism (earth at the center).

Science can speak against certain religious claims about the natural world. It can't speak about religion at large. I do take a bit of umbridge with someone who describes science as "just a bunch of theories" which implies that there is nothing real about any discoveries made about the natural world.
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Old 05-17-2011, 01:56 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I do take a bit of umbridge with someone who describes science as "just a bunch of theories" which implies that there is nothing real about any discoveries made about the natural world.
Furthermore, it's silly to imply that one theory comes along and simply disproves another. That's not how all scientific change occurs. In many cases, science is about gradual refinement. Over time, as new evidence is accumalated and scientific instruments are improved, some theories will be refined, but it doesn't mean our current knowledge is completely wrong or that theories that are adjusted are without merit. There is an important difference between refinement and complete overhaul. This is particularly important in recent years, at least in certain fields, since scientists' ability to conduct accurate observations has been improving at an increasing rate.

In a nutshell, I wish more people understood the relativity of wrong.

I give you Asimov.

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Old 05-17-2011, 12:46 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Awesome, I grow a year older and the world ends the day after (my birthday is the 20th)
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Old 05-17-2011, 12:47 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Awesome, I grow a year older and the world ends the day after (my birthday is the 20th)
Aw, Chig. You broke the world!
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Old 05-17-2011, 12:57 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Why bother? If the world ends there's nothing we can do, if not we just live our regular life.
Bytheway i'm sure it will not end, so whoever has something programmed after that day can take it to account...
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Old 05-17-2011, 01:08 PM   #29 (permalink)
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This thread has forced this song into my head for days now.

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Old 05-17-2011, 02:57 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Aw, Chig. You broke the world!
Sorry, my birthday is just so awesome the world ceases to exist, normally it's not permanent though
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Old 05-17-2011, 03:19 PM   #31 (permalink)
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This thread has forced this song into my head for days now.
huh. Last night, this was playing in my head:

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Old 05-17-2011, 05:34 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I remember a similar thing happening in 1992 where all these plastic, static posters started popping up all over Niagara Falls. We stole a few. I still have mine somewhere.



Jesus must be keeping a low profile.
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Old 05-17-2011, 09:00 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I remember a similar thing happening in 1992 where all these plastic, static posters started popping up all over Niagara Falls. We stole a few. I still have mine somewhere.



Jesus must be keeping a low profile.
Sure has:



Or maybe not:


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Old 05-18-2011, 12:12 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Just realized that Judgement Day is on the wedding anniversary of my parents. Seems like this day was 26 years in the making, damn parents.
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Old 05-18-2011, 12:39 PM   #36 (permalink)
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as a christian this makes me smh...
some non religious people after reading this might lump all religious people together. think we're crazy, don't believe in science and should catch up with the rest of the world. when really this guy is just a false prophet and doesn't represent anyone but himself when announcing what he interprets of the bible. the bible says that jesus' second coming, he's coming like a thief in the night. so this guy claiming to know may 21st is judgement day is already going against the bible.

as for science proving religion false. i don't think so. science is just a bunch of theories that are accepted as the truth until a new theory comes that DISPROVES the previous one and the latest one is accepted as the truth.

EX: before people thought the world was flat until science proved that wrong and its accepted as the truth that the world is round.
So the world was created in 7 days??
How old is the earth?
Please tell me the difference in beliveing in your God, and believing in an elephant riding a balloon so far high we cant see it.
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Old 05-18-2011, 02:12 PM   #37 (permalink)
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So the world was created in 7 days??
How old is the earth?
Please tell me the difference in beliveing in your God, and believing in an elephant riding a balloon so far high we cant see it.
who are you to make fun of my beliefs? i'm not forcing my beliefs onto anyone and everyone can believe whatever they want. but why think what you belive in is so much more legit then others?

and if ur gonna comment on the subject, at least be somewhat knowledgeable on the subject. very few take the bible literally, and i say very few because theres always someone out there, you can never say no one.

so u think we came from apes? why then, through the theory of evolution, did we lose all of our hair except the ones on our head? which goes against that very theory?
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Old 05-18-2011, 03:01 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I am not a religious man, I believe in a god (the small g is intentional) as I have no idea who/what or why god is. I believe trying to understand the universe on a spiritual level is like trying to explain trigonometry to an ant. we are incapable of understanding it.

People used to believe in magic, and Gods that caused lightening etc...we know that is not true, science can disprove them.

The better question to ask is, "why does the science work?"

I do not discount a higher power because of the proof of sciences, I believe in a higher power because of the existence of science.

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Old 05-18-2011, 03:20 PM   #39 (permalink)
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who are you to make fun of my beliefs? i'm not forcing my beliefs onto anyone and everyone can believe whatever they want.
It's true, you're not forcing your beliefs onto anyone. However, you did offer up an opinion regarding science and religion on an internet forum. So, sorry, but you should probably expect that someone will say something to you, and possibly something you don't like. If you don't want your beliefs, or possible beliefs, to be scrutinized, then you should probably keep them private. When I comment on this stuff, I am fully prepared for the possibility that someone will respond and disagree.

Edit - also, you're right: a lot of Canadian Christians do not take the bible literally.

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Old 05-18-2011, 03:36 PM   #40 (permalink)
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and if ur gonna comment on the subject, at least be somewhat knowledgeable on the subject......

so u think we came from apes? why then, through the theory of evolution, did we lose all of our hair except the ones on our head? which goes against that very theory?
This is where you start to sound silly.

1 - apes is a classificatory term. There are different types of apes. Depending on which academic you speak to, humans are apes.

2 - What I think you meant to say is "so u think we came from monkeys?"

That is the standard bullshit line. It's a straw-man, since that's not what scientists state. It's unfortunate that some adult filled your head with that non-sense. We share a common ancestor with monkeys. There is an important difference between evolving from monkeys and having a common ancestor.

3 - Understand evolution before you dismiss it. If you have doubts, read about it directly from scientists. Don't assume your parents or minister or whomever is giving you an accurate depiction of what scientists claim. Go directly to the source to find out what scientists really assert.

4 - You're showing why some people are annoyed by religion. If not for religion, why else would young kids, like yourself, get pulled into misinformation about science? There will always be ignorance, but commitment to religion is a major contributing factor to misinformation and people's unwillingness to learn about certain topics.

5 - I don't know what the fuck you're talking about regarding humans losing our hair. Who told you losing hair disproves evolution? That's just silly. It is totally explainable. Furthermore, I have hair in many places other than my head, including a few where I'd prefer it didn't grow.

6 - Lists are still awesome.

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