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zachus 11-21-2009 11:33 PM

Lucid Dreaming
 
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Lucid dreaming means dreaming while knowing that you are dreaming. The term was coined by Frederik van Eeden who used the word "lucid" in the sense of mental clarity. Lucidity usually begins in the midst of a dream when the dreamer realizes that the experience is not occurring in physical reality, but is a dream. Often this realization is triggered by the dreamer noticing some impossible or unlikely occurrence in the dream, such as flying or meeting the deceased. Sometimes people become lucid without noticing any particular clue in the dream; they just suddenly realize they are in a dream.
Does anyone have any experience with or knowledge of Lucid dreaming? I'm learning about it in a course I'm taking and I'm fascinated by it. With the proper training anyone is essentially able to be aware of and control their own dreams and then use that ability to conquer fears, develop skills, etc., and that's absolutely incredible to me.

There are definitely some philosophy buffs on this board, so I'm interested to hear what you guys have to say, be it about Lucid dreaming or the "boundaries" of the mind in general.

Lucid Dreaming Frequently Asked Questions Answered by The Lucidity Institute

INSIDER 11-21-2009 11:41 PM

i guess im odd then because almost 95% of my dreams are lucid.
i dont think i go all philosophical and use them to conquer fears or anything like that, but i pretty much control all of my dreams. i dont create what to dream about, but when i am in a situation in my dream, i can control what happens, like a video game.... its weird.

example... im robbing a bank and a cop runs in and shoots his gun at me, all of a sudden i give myself super strength and i catch the bullet in my hands or something... or i'll be snowboarding and fall, then i rewind and go again so that i dont fall. is that lucid dreaming?

N64 11-22-2009 12:19 AM

Man this shit happens to me a lot too, I'm just dreaming and then suddenly I just know that I'm dreaming and the shit going around me is BS ...must be because it is just way to unreal a situation, can't think of a certain thing that caused it though.

Stonezz 11-22-2009 01:05 AM

I hardly get lucid dreams but when I do it's dope!

LX 11-22-2009 09:50 AM

They're great. I also get dreams where I could swear I've woken up and am experiencing the surroundings in the room, only to wake up again, but for real, some time later to find the actual details are different, and that my wakefulness before was a dream.

For example, I think I am awake in a friends spare room, and I check the alarm clock for the time. Then I wake up later and look for the clock, and there is none in the room. I ask about it, and there never was an alarm clock. And yet that is the only detail that was different from the waking and dreaming states.

Or I think I've woken up and see my dog on the bed next to me. But later I wake up for real, and he's not there, and I find out that he was never on the bed.

Then there was the time I thought I woke up in the spare room of my in-laws. I'm lying flat on my back, and suddenly I am lifted up to about two feet below the ceiling, where my body spins around like a propeller for about fifteen seconds, and then I fall back into the bed, as if pushed by a giant arm. Upon contact with the mattress I wake up for real.

I think all those examples are sort of related to lucid dreaming in that the boundaries between wakefulness and dreaming are very much blurred.

zachus 11-22-2009 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by •LX• (Post 274731)
For example, I think I am awake in a friends spare room, and I check the alarm clock for the time. Then I wake up later and look for the clock, and there is none in the room. I ask about it, and there never was an alarm clock. And yet that is the only detail that was different from the waking and dreaming states.

Then there was the time I thought I woke up in the spare room of my in-laws. I'm lying flat on my back, and suddenly I am lifted up to about two feet below the ceiling, where my body spins around like a propeller for about fifteen seconds, and then I fall back into the bed, as if pushed by a giant arm. Upon contact with the mattress I wake up for real.

It's interesting you mentioned these two.

One part of the process involved with being able to induce lucid dreams at will has to do with "reality checks." As part of these "reality checks" a lot of the sources I've read suggest wearing a digital watch around, looking at the time, looking away, and looking back at the watch to see if anything has changed. If nothing has changed, you're experiencing reality, if something has changed, you're dreaming.

Essentially what happens is you train your mind to do these reality checks on a regular basis to the point of instinct. Since brain processes are the same in dreams as they are in real life, your brain will continue to do reality checks while you dream, and that's when you're in control.

It also sounds like you had an out of body experience, which is one of the deeper layers of a lucid dream. Sort of like a medium between real life, hallucinations, and dreaming. Very cool!

LX 11-22-2009 11:10 AM

Yeah I've had some weird stuff happening on long all-night drives too. The mind is pretty amazing. But it's also showed me how fragile it can be as well. My aim is always to see reality as being extremely fluid, and not putting too much trust in my own sense of reality.

Acie 11-22-2009 11:14 AM

I have a lot of dreams where I really have to pee and then I wake up and lo and behold - I have to pee really bad.

LX 11-22-2009 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Acie (Post 274762)
I have a lot of dreams where I really have to pee and then I wake up and lo and behold - I have to pee really bad.

You just want to hope you don't get the dreams about taking a warm bath.

jumplvlan23 11-22-2009 01:53 PM

I never get crazy dreams like Insiders.

All my dreams are about everyday normal things, like playing basketball, or going to school, or going to a party.

Pretty bland, I wish I could fly in my dreams or something :(

Bmats7 11-22-2009 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jumplvlan23 (Post 274989)
All my dreams are about everyday normal things, like playing basketball, or going to school, or going to a party.

Playing basketball is an everyday thing for you? Too bad you don't have these kinds of dreams, you could dream about beating me in a 1 on 1 instead of losing 11 - 0 :).


but in terms of this thread, I have had these dreams before where I know I'm dreaming and it's almost like being in the matrix. Lately though, I dont have dreams at all.

GrannyFro 11-22-2009 09:38 PM

i use to have these dreams all the time, Crazy things would happen in a dream and i wouldn't trip in my dream because i always had this feeling like i new i was dreaming. there's a term for this , should i be proud?

LX 11-23-2009 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bmats7 (Post 275257)
Playing basketball is an everyday thing for you? Too bad you don't have these kinds of dreams, you could dream about beating me in a 1 on 1 instead of losing 11 - 0 :).


but in terms of this thread, I have had these dreams before where I know I'm dreaming and it's almost like being in the matrix. Lately though, I dont have dreams at all.

You always cycle into a dreamstate as long as you sleep long enough to allow that to happen, you just only become conscious of them when you wake up in the middle of them or shortly after, or cross into that nearly awake state.

Watching television tends to put us all into dreamlike states. Because in reality we are only seeing a tiny part of the picture at a time, and our brains are then work to piece together the quickly scanned pixels to keep a complete running picture in our heads. This activity produces the same kinds of alpha wave activity that happens in dreams. That's why TV ads are made to effect us on more of an emotional level. We become susceptible on those sorts of levels, and reasoning things out doesn't happen at a very high level. It is also why it can be so easy to fall asleep watching TV.

Aar_Canada 11-23-2009 02:20 PM

I wish I could control mine. I don't sleep well, so I remember a lot of what I dream in a night. I wouldn't call them nightmares, but they're unsettling and I often wake up with panic attacks. To top it all off, I am almost always alone in my dreams. Paging Dr.Freud!

Cory 11-23-2009 07:06 PM

Back when I was really interested in lucid dreaming, I used to get them.

Whenever I became lucid, I would look at the faces of the people in my dreams and I was fascinated how I couldn't recognize them. Like strangers living in my mind. I would also usually decide to fly, and it usually would work, but it wouldn't go on quite as long as I would have liked. I always lost control eventually, sliding into one direction awkwardly, falling into the ground.

But nowadays I never get them. I guess because I'm just not that interested in them anymore.

LX 11-23-2009 08:28 PM

Yeah - I do the flying thing a lot - that's the best. And I get a lot of strangers as well. I'm even cast as a completely different person sometimes. That's pretty weird.

finstock 11-28-2009 04:47 AM

Have you ever seen 'Waking Life' Zachus?..It's a Linklater flick entirely about lucid dreaming; and it's a total trip, man. Not only is it visually breathtaking, it's remarkably informative regarding the lucid dream state as well. Highly recommended for any of you guys.

I've been trying to master and manipulate it for sometime now, but I haven't faired to well yet. :police:

Also, check out Ever Dream This Man?
It's a site dedicated to a recurring dream figure who apparently thousands of people have seen in their dreams. Ever seen him?

Torontosaurus 11-28-2009 09:50 AM

Here's a site that lists alot of lucid dream movies. I personally liked Vanilla sky quite a bit, but I haven't seen all of these yet...

Lucid Dreaming Movies

zachus 11-28-2009 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by oneironaught (Post 279439)
Have you ever seen 'Waking Life' Zachus?..It's a Linklater flick entirely about lucid dreaming; and it's a total trip, man. Not only is it visually breathtaking, it's remarkably informative regarding the lucid dream state as well. Highly recommended for any of you guys.

I've been trying to master and manipulate it for sometime now, but I haven't faired to well yet. :police:

I haven't gotten a chance to watch it yet but I've heard good things, my schedule is loosening up a bit next week so I'll peep it and let you know what I think.

I'm still in the dream journal / reality check stage, but I'm getting there. When I started out I was having trouble remembering one or two dreams a week, now I feel ripped off if I'm not remembering one a night.

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Also, check out Ever Dream This Man?
It's a site dedicated to a recurring dream figure who apparently thousands of people have seen in their dreams. Ever seen him?
Can't say remember encountering any super sketchy pedophiles in my dreams, I'll pay extra attention from now on though. Really creepy how that works though...

krillog 11-29-2009 04:44 PM

I used to experience dreams like that a lot when I was a kid. Nowadays it only seems to happen once in a blue moon.
I wouldn't say I was aware of being in a dream, but I felt as though I gradually had more control of myself and some other things as the dream progressed. I went from being a spectator to having direct control is a better way to put it I guess.
I usually woke up shortly after becoming that aware though. Maybe it was just a side effect of my brain waking itself up then, I don't really know.
Maybe it doesn't happen as much anymore because my mind as a child was much more active.

Hadn't really thought about it until I read this thread.
Thanks


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