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Old 04-23-2010, 07:28 PM   #21 (permalink)
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All of it is taking away freedoms that I have as a human being.

I fi dont wear a seatbelt healthcare shouldnt cover my medical expenses resulting in injuries caused.

And I could write all the inflamatory words I want in book form and it would be allowed to go to print and people would read it. But to speak those words is wrong. They are forever just words, the delivery of those words shouldnt make any difference.

And in regards to a peacful society stuff, if simple words spoken can incite violence then the society itself isnt truely peacfull.
what freedoms as a human being? if you are talking about the universal declaration of human rights, then i don't remember anything about seat belts and naked jaunts on the beach... other than that, we have our charter of rights, but it has the limitations i mentioned.

there are no such things as human freedoms. there are only laws. we gave up the state of nature ages ago.

people who gripe about personal freedoms are simply deciding that they are more important than anyone else. the fact is that we live in communities, and our laws are there to protect those communities as much, if not more, than the rights of each individual within those communities to do whatever they please.

in any basic social contract you give up some freedoms to exist in a community. to insist on unlimited personal freedom is to insist on anarchy. you have to give something up, and our legislative system tries to do that democratically and fairly. how many times have you been to see your mp or mpp about things you would like to see done differently? or are you just here to gripe that we don't live in the state of nature?

life in the state of snooch would be solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.
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Old 04-23-2010, 07:32 PM   #23 (permalink)
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speaking of the universal declaration of human rights:

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No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
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Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
expression is protected (19), but so also is it limited when it comes to attacks on reputation (12).

reasonable limits.
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Still not in agreement.

Words hold no power over me, never will.

DOnt need a panel of people telling me that they can hurt me, and that they shouldnt be said
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well, i'm afraid you're out of luck. you are subject to law, which is really just words. good luck avoiding that.

freedom is by far and away the most overused and misunderstood word on the modern era.
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well, i'm afraid you're out of luck. you are subject to law, which is really just words. good luck avoiding that.

freedom is by far and away the most overused and misunderstood word on the modern era.
I dont have alot of problem with law, my problem is in regards to being able to say what you want when you want.

Along with that I dont like it when someone else tells me what I should and shouldnt do.

I like to smoke, I like to eat fast food, I shouldnt be treated any differently than the rest of the population because of that.

And there are certain words I would like to see re-enter the language of this country.
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do what you want in your own home snooch, but when you are out in the community, the health of the majority is more important than your 'want' to do whatever you please. at least that is what our lawmakers have decided, and i happen to agree.

just as your 'want' to say whatever you want is less important than the community's need to defend the reputations of public figures.


that comment about not being treated differently is humourous to me. no one is treating you differently. i'm not allowed to smoke in restaurants either.

and, just for the record, rarely, if ever, are specific words banned as a matter of law. it is about intent, meaning and malicious effect, not about the words themselves.
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do what you want in your own home snooch, but when you are out in the community, the health of the majority is more important than your 'want' to do whatever you please. at least that is what our lawmakers have decided, and i happen to agree.

just as your 'want' to say whatever you want is less important than the community's need to defend the reputations of public figures.


that comment about not being treated differently is humourous to me. no one is treating you differently. i'm not allowed to smoke in restaurants either.

and, just for the record, rarely, if ever, are specific words banned as a matter of law. it is about intent, meaning and malicious effect, not about the words themselves.
it is basically the same thing.

A person cannot say words like "faggot" or "retard" anymore because others take such offense to it. People shouldnt take offense, and that is my point.

Its not that I use the words, dont want panties rippled, but I wold like to be able too. It is the sort of thing that the internet allows for people to say, and now that is being taken away. Freedom of speech was taken away a long time ago.

And in regards to smoking, why should someone tell us that we cant smoke? I am a big boy, I know it isnt heaklthy, but I also know that eating cake and greasy fries isnt healthy either, are they going to take that away fromme as well?
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full freedom of speech never really existed. it's much freer in liberal democracies than it ever was in monarchies or authoritarian regimes. i don't know what you're talking about here.

i also have no idea what you mean by 'the internet allows people to say' something. the internet is not sentient. what is allowed on the web is evolving and a matter of community rules and, in some cases, law. my point is that precisely the same rules that apply in person should apply on the web. why is it that it's ok to be an asshole to someone because you are hiding behind a veil on anonymity when you would never say something like that to someone in a bank lineup for instance? is it just because on the web no one can give you a punch in the mouth?

we really don't censor any words here unless they are being used as insults. some words are by nature insults and have no other uses, so we deal with that to stop this place from degenerating into a slug fest like we saw at other sites. all of this is more important that snooch's want to get all pouty because he doesn't have absolute freedom.

who is telling you you can't smoke? no one is taking anything away from you, they're just trying to make sure you don't force it on others in public places. smoke away snooch. you are free to do that as much as you want, just not wherever you want. this is not an issue of your health, it's an issue of mine, and everyone else's.

and speaking of 'freedom', who are you to tell people what they should be offended by? are they not free to think whatever they want to think? perhaps they suffered abuse, or marginalisation, or degradation, or some traumatic experience that has made it difficult for them to come to terms with being accepted socially for who they are. is this not valid reason for reacting to a word that reminds them of their trauma?

not everyone can be expected to be completely insensitive to the community in which they live.
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