Iran melting down
Old 06-20-2009, 02:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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for anyone interested in what's going down over there, some links.

In his sermon on Friday, Ayatollah Khamenei said opposition leaders who failed to halt the protests “would be responsible for bloodshed and chaos.” The tough words seemed to dash hopes for a peaceful solution to what defeated candidates and protesters call a fraudulent election last week, plunging Iran into its gravest crisis since the Islamic Revolution in 1979.

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11.33 am. Mousavi is speaking.

11.32 am. In response to the violence of the security forces, people are now beginning to shout “Death to Khamenei”

11.28 am. Some reports of Mousavi on the streets.


11.27 am. Shiraz erupting?

REPORT FROM SHIRAZ: Intense conflict in Alam Square.


11.17 am. I have to say I found the boiling water from helicopters hard to believe. And yet more tweets repeat it:

Two reports coming from Tehran about helicopters pouring boiling water on protesters.

reports of some Iranians protesting with Qurans in their hand.

even at metro station at azadi ppl r beaten up!!!


follow the tweets and pics on andrew sullivans blog

The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan

YouTube - Students Shot In Front Of A Camera

YouTube - Persian BBC -

YouTube - 20062009002

amazing footage

not to get too political here, but i really wish the protesters safety and courage, you really can change the world.
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Old 06-20-2009, 03:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 06-20-2009, 06:44 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The footage of the young woman at the point of death and then spitting up blood was pretty haunting. It would seem that this can only weaken the clerics substantially. It's only a matter of how they react as to the negative or positive impact the change ultimately brings. This is not about the sham election or Ahmedinijad or Mousavi anymore. It's about the people and their rejection of the "divine" leader.
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Iran chose change, and that change was put to rest by an egomaniacal fascist who could give two shits about the country he's governing. It's still very much about the election.

While the government controls what can and cannot be reported in media, it's important that the people in Iran increase international awareness by continuing to film and spread footage of what's going on.
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I disagree zachus. I think the election was not that much about choosing change. It was about expressing a degree of difference between generations. The election was a sham before a single vote was cast, and they knew that. The clerics disallow so many real alternatives from even running. Still, the people took the opportunity to show their disapproval of a president that did nothing for them economically, and turned to a guy that spoke to the need of easing up on certain restrictions. By no means was Mousavi a revolutionary.

But now the whole thing has blown up in the face of the divine leaders, and Khamenei is directly facing the rage of the people he now struggles to control. And by turning to force, he loses more legitimacy. For that reason it's more important for awareness to continue to spread among themselves - not the rest of the world. At least for now. The fear has to be that Khamenei will have nothing left to cling to except brute force. He must become aware of what he is dealing with and not be allowed to fool himself, or anyone else, that he needs to respond with force to fight against outside influences. The more this gets narrowed down to a supreme leader and the people he has lost through his own actions, the better the chances of a positive outcome.
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I disagree zachus. I think the election was not that much about choosing change. It was about expressing a degree of difference between generations. The election was a sham before a single vote was cast, and they knew that. The clerics disallow so many real alternatives from even running. Still, the people took the opportunity to show their disapproval of a president that did nothing for them economically, and turned to a guy that spoke to the need of easing up on certain restrictions. By no means was Mousavi a revolutionary.

But now the whole thing has blown up in the face of the divine leaders, and Khamenei is directly facing the rage of the people he now struggles to control. And by turning to force, he loses more legitimacy. For that reason it's more important for awareness to continue to spread among themselves - not the rest of the world. At least for now. The fear has to be that Khamenei will have nothing left to cling to except brute force. He must become aware of what he is dealing with and not be allowed to fool himself, or anyone else, that he needs to respond with force to fight against outside influences. The more this gets narrowed down to a supreme leader and the people he has lost through his own actions, the better the chances of a positive outcome.
Well said.

I'm in a really bad place right now, but the election wasn't a real election. We all knew it, but the fact that our half-assed attempt wasn't even counted was so bullshit that pissed everyone off.

Mousavi was approved to become a nominee in the race, meaning he was never going to be a real change. We all knew that. His track record isn't all lovey dovey anyway...

But on Friday, when Khamenei came and said "stop it, or there will be blood", he chose the wrong side. You never pick against the people...especially when they are already pissed. Now the attention is towards him, people want HIM out...the REAL leader...the one that's chosen, and not elected by the people.

By next week we will know for sure what's going to happen. But I'm so disgusted, angry, and shocked that I don't even go on twitter or facebook, i just can't see and read anything anymore.

LX, your knowledge about Iran is always a fresh zephyr in this forum. Thank you.
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Old 06-21-2009, 01:13 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Nice to hear from you Rasam. Hang in there. I can understand not wanting to see anymore. There was footage last night of women screaming in the dark while their homes were invaded that was incredibly hard to bear.

I just can't quite see this turning into something like Tianamen though. There the power structure survived by bending on governmental control of the economy. They still had a bone to throw at the populace, even though they had betrayed them. I can't see how the supreme leader has anything like that. There's really just a matter of clinging to power, and the only card left is pointing to outside forces. Even with that one, there is going to have to be some kind of dumb, aggressive comments from someone in the US or Isreal, to give that idea any impact. I have to think this guy has to go the way of the Shah.
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