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'trane 02-13-2012 05:13 PM

if you oppose the police monitoring your web activity you support child pornography
...at least according to our government.


Canada’s privacy commissioners will be surprised to hear it, but the Conservatives are accusing anyone who opposes their bill to give police new powers to monitor the Internet of supporting child pornography.


Mr. Toews will introduce Lawful Access legislation, as it is commonly called, into the House of Commons Tuesday. Previous versions of the bill failed to make it through minority parliaments, but now that the Conservatives have a majority it is almost certain to pass.

The bill will require Internet service providers to store and to make available to the government and police forces information on the Internet activity of their customers.

Police will require a warrant to obtain that information. But the bill would also permit them to obtain IP addresses (which identifies someone on the Internet), email addresses, mobile phone numbers and other information without any warrant.

Ann Cavoukian, Ontario’s privacy watchdog, is fiercely opposed to the legislation, which she calls “surveillance by design.” Federal Privacy Commissioner Jennifer Stoddart and other provincial privacy commissioners have also raised concerns.


“As technology evolves, many criminal activities, such as the distribution of child pornography, become much easier,” he told the House. “We are proposing to bring measures to bring our laws into the 21st century and to provide police with the lawful tools that they need.

“He can either stand with us or with the child pornographers.”
Tories on e-snooping: ‘Stand with us or with the child pornographers’ - The Globe and Mail


Bill Haverchuck 02-13-2012 06:33 PM


Gurk 02-13-2012 06:55 PM

wow. This has to be the dumbest thing I have heard in my life

Someguy again 02-13-2012 07:02 PM

how did they know? such smart conservatives, we also need to cut more employment programs so these pedophiles won't get jobs in the future

gotta think for the children

LX 02-13-2012 08:17 PM

We are being hammered like serfs at every turn by the new monarchs of the world. Look - here's a crisis, there's a crisis, everywhere a crisis, and we will take care of you by making you less of a person measure by measure. Sorry - that's more bleak than I really feel. Maybe my avatar is infecting me. But it still feels like the little bit of pushing back with the Occupy movement is setting some dark shit in motion. But we've got Pandas!

'trane 02-14-2012 09:29 AM


What you think of the Conservatives’ new bill to expand police surveillance of the web may depend on what you think of the long-gun registry and the long-form census.

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews will argue that the new legislation, to be introduced Tuesday afternoon, will grant the government access to nothing more than the Internet equivalent of a telephone book, which police need to help track criminals and terrorists.

Mr. Toews takes a dim view of anyone who would question the need for that access. In the Commons, Monday, he said people “can either stand with us or with the child pornographers.”


There are powerful arguments on both sides. None of us want to handicap police in their efforts to track those who would defraud us, harm children or plot acts of terror. But we must also be wary of granting the state new powers that could restrict the sovereignty of citizens.

On their face, the arguments of the privacy commissioners should find resonance with conservative voters who opposed the federal long-gun registry and the mandatory long-form census. Both were examples of the state intruding in the lives of citizens in search of information it had no right to demand, opponents of the registry and the census maintained. The Conservative Party led that opposition.

Applying that same principle, should the state be allowed to have new powers to know who we are on the web – in effect, to register our online identities – without a judicial warrant or even our knowledge or consent?

Claiming “you’re with us or you’re with the child pornographers” doesn’t even begin to make the case, Mr. Toews.

'With us or with the child pornographers' doesn't cut it, Mr. Toews - The Globe and Mail

'trane 02-15-2012 09:19 PM

apparently the tories are with the child pornographers.

Facing a backlash, Ottawa moves to retool cybercrime bill - The Globe and Mail


The Harper government has blinked in the face of a backlash over legislation that would give authorities new powers to police the Web, saying it’s now prepared to accept a broad range of changes to a bill criticized as a major intrusion into Canadians’ privacy.

The government’s new conciliatory tone comes only two days after Public Safety Minister Vic Toews beat back criticism of the legislation by declaring that critics either stood with the Conservatives “or with the child pornographers.”

LX 02-15-2012 10:41 PM

Pretty incredible how badly they lied about how the bill did not increase government powers of surveillance. Absolutely any government agent could go to an ISP and demand access to anything they wished and transfer any information on a memory stick and haul it off.

'trane 02-21-2012 10:04 AM

really solid g&m article on this developing story. moving past the "hapless Minister of Public Safety," as he refers to toews, this article is more about the subtleties of what the leigislation would mean.


So, with thanks to Mr. Toews for volunteering for pinata duty, it's time to move past the minister. Vic Toews' flying circus is a cartoonish distraction from troubling legislation. The dangers hidden in this bill are subtler than they might seem.

Contrary to what you might have heard, the new bill, C-30, doesn't invite police to monitor your every online move without a warrant. It does, however, require Internet companies – loosely defined – to cough up your name, Internet protocol address and a few other identifiers if the police ask for them, even without a warrant. This means that the police could conceivably collect a pseudonym you've been using to comment on websites, present it to the relevant company, and say, “Who is this person?”

By trading pseudonyms for IP addresses, then IP addresses for real names and addresses, and repeating the process, police could get a pretty clear picture of what you've been up to online. (The list of exactly which identifiers police can present to Internet service providers in exchange for information has yet to be nailed down.)

Toews’s 'child pornographers' gaffe aside, Bill C-30 has real dangers - The Globe and Mail

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