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Old 11-12-2009, 09:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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3 buck TTC. Yay I don't care in a way because I drive. However; if i need other transportation I'm going to call my cabbie end of story. I am not sitting in a puke ifested bus full of H1N1 for 3 friggin bucks (exaggeration I know)

Also the HST. Look for Gas to up, Car and Home Insurance to go up, Your heating bill and heck just remember to drink one less bottle of beer at that party because thats going up too.


I'm really sick of this province and thier BEND OVER AND TAX ME attitude. Also, if they say the HST is benefitting you BS go buy a home in Toronto now. You have transfer tax, HST and blow me tax


Thats all I wanted to say
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Prices will continue to inflate. You think that's something? Pay attention to our neighbors down south because you haven't seen anything yet. Their fiat currency is about to crash. They print money like it's going out of style and its backed by nothing... Well, the Canadian dollar isn't backed by anything but paper either BUT at least the government controlled Bank of Canada is not recklessly printing money...
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Prices will continue to inflate. You think that's something? Pay attention to our neighbors down south because you haven't seen anything yet. Their fiat currency is about to crash. They print money like it's going out of style and its backed by nothing... Well, the Canadian dollar isn't backed by anything but paper either BUT at least the government controlled Bank of Canada is not recklessly printing money...
You mean the Chinese gov't owns the greenback
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So you'd like no increase in fares AND no tax increases? How does that work exactly?

Personally I am all for some tolls on your driving ass.

Car insurance is already going up. Believe it or not, the insurance industry is more in love with the idea of sucking the money out of your pocket than any government.
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So you'd like no increase in fares AND no tax increases? How does that work exactly?

Personally I am all for some tolls on your driving ass.

Car insurance is already going up. Believe it or not, the insurance industry is more in love with the idea of sucking the money out of your pocket than any government.
I would like a proper transit system for a city our size. Come on LX you can do better than that, car insurance is a choice, tax's are well....you know.

I wonder how other cities have better transit AND lower taxes....crazy.
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So you'd like no increase in fares AND no tax increases? How does that work exactly?

Personally I am all for some tolls on your driving ass.

Car insurance is already going up. Believe it or not, the insurance industry is more in love with the idea of sucking the money out of your pocket than any government.
First off a city this size like Benzo suggested should have better transit. Go to Chicago a city a little bigger than T.O and its transit system is vastly superior. Secondly, this voice is about helping the regular joe not just myself entirely. The gov't is raising taxes because the economy is in the crapper. Personally I think in times of need you lower taxes but the jokes on them. Human behavour suggests that every small business and person alike will aim to hit the underground market and just kill Gov't Revenues. So basically with HST the joke is on them and every average joe.
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toronto is the only major city in the world with a transit system not funded by the federal government. that's why it's expensive and that's why it's too small. the ridership and the municipal and provincial governments are expected to pay for everything. in new york, paris, london, tokyo, etc, the transit system is federally funded because they see value in investing in their major cities. this is a major problem.
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toronto is the only major city in the world with a transit system not funded by the federal government. that's why it's expensive and that's why it's too small. the ridership and the municipal and provincial governments are expected to pay for everything. in new york, paris, london, tokyo, etc, the transit system is federally funded because they see value in investing in their major cities. this is a major problem.
Chicago's transit budget (2009)-$1.321 billion

TTC transit budget (2008)-1.6 billion

the problem here is waste...plain and simple.
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yah, and toronto has more than a third more weekly ridership than chicago (some would argue close to double because of the way trips are calculated), and chicago doesn't fix or clean anything.
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Chicago's transit budget (2009)-$1.321 billion

TTC transit budget (2008)-1.6 billion

the problem here is waste...plain and simple.
Yes and this year Chicago cut their transit budget and didn't increase fairs.

Also, Chicago as a 24h blueline transit that starts from downtown and goes straight to O'hare Airport.


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isn't Toronto expanding public transport lines?

Toronto Rocket : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto...nto_subway_car)

Toronto Transit Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://torontoist.com/2009/03/futuri...to_in_2015.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoveOntario_2020

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Well Downsview station was suppose travel to Keele St. than North to York U finally stopping at Hwy. 7. That ribbon was cut by the feds years back and I highly doubt they are going to fork over that cash now.
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Yep, in other news, they are going to "beautify the waterfront".
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Yep, in other news, they are going to "beautify the waterfront".
which is insane.

I live in the Waterfront, and it's FINE as it is.
Honestly, i found it plenty nice enough when i moved there and it's still the same.

There are many other neighborhoods that could use a much needed facelift.
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which is insane.

I live in the Waterfront, and it's FINE as it is.
Honestly, i found it plenty nice enough when i moved there and it's still the same.

There are many other neighborhoods that could use a much needed facelift.
I think they mean they area around cherry street. Also all these revitilzations won't happen. I don't even know how Toronto will play for the Pan Am games
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I think they mean they area around cherry street. Also all these revitilzations won't happen. I don't even know how Toronto will play for the Pan Am games
not nesesarriliy, they put up these silly wavey bridges just this past year and they made that HtO park recently too (which i was told ended up costing the city a fortune). All of which was pretty unnessesary IMO.

the Pan Am games just seemed like a stupid idea from the get go.
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not nesesarriliy, they put up these silly wavey bridges just this past year and they made that HtO park recently too (which i was told ended up costing the city a fortune). All of which was pretty unnessesary IMO.

the Pan Am games just seemed like a stupid idea from the get go.
the city isn't dumb enough to realize that its really a transit system upgrade it needs above everything else
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I guess they were supposed to be a consolation for getting fuked out of the Olympics by Beijing. I wonder how much and who the Chinese paid to get the votes?
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I'm a bit lost in the mixed messages. Car insurance is a choice? I had no idea. Taxes aren't? Oh wait but they are, because there is an underground economy that will flourish if there are any tax hikes. Even if they come along with the better efficiencies and less waste that taxpayers raise a fuss over?

To me it all comes down to something that was drilled into me at an early age: there are no free rides. And I apply that to both sides of the coin. I agree that people should not be looking for free rides at the taxpayer's expense and there has been reason for concern in that regard in the past. But taxpayers should not be looking for a free ride while still expecting the same infrastructure and services.

I am very worried that about populist sentiment that expresses dismay over tax increases at all costs. It leaves all but the wealthiest completely prone to predatory practices and a selling off of the future of communities that aren't gated communities.

Look at California. Virtually bankrupt. Too much waste? Bullshit. They've been politically hamstrung for decades, thanks to leaders bowing to populist sentiments in order to win an election. They need some kind of super majority of the voting public to allow for anything to be done with taxes. They've sold off public land and buildings, they've done every trick they can think of to make the books look to be balanced, and yes they slashed and burned services and infrastructure. They went the route of privatization. There is no waste to be had. But the cost of living has still increased over the decades, and the population has grown as well. Funny how they have absolutely no money to provide for their citizenry.

And yet you get insurance companies like AIG making a killing at the worst of times. If you have the money to give them, they will supply their own private workers that douse every square inch of your property with flame-retardant chemicals when one of those huge fires spring up and blow all over. And it works - if they can locate your house with terribly inefficient communications as one would suspect in a firestorm. They have to figure out which houses that signed up are vulnerable to the flames and then get there. They bypass all kinds of houses that are the most vulnerable while struggling to get to those dotted all over the map according to insurance coverage. They play God in other words. We've all seen shots where one house stands alone, and the news coverage is all about how strange and imbalanced nature can be. Except that it's us that made everything strange and out of whack, and the insurance companies make disasters into a huge growth industry. Lovely.

California is not alone. It is just at the head of the pack. And unless we strive for more balance instead of over-reacting to every last bit of waste and governmental over-reach, we are just going to set ourselves up to be sucked dry by private companies. I've seen how money can just disappear into a pit, when I had to work with the bureaucracy of the university of Guelph. It seems fairly unavoidable to a certain extent when you reach a certain level of complexity. But that doesn't mean the answer is every man and woman and child for themselves, with the exception of those who can pay through the nose for some benefits and assistance in hard times. There has to be some middle ground, and most importantly, we cannot place our status as taxpayers far above that as citizens. We cannot look for that free ride and place barriers on finding a way to that middle ground. When the middle ground becomes impossible, then we might as well just turn the clock back a few hundred years or more, or wait for the Chinese to bail us all out.

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great post lx.
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