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Old 11-14-2009, 12:14 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Thanks trane. That's all I wanted to say.
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Old 11-14-2009, 03:53 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I'm a bit lost in the mixed messages. Car insurance is a choice? I had no idea. Taxes aren't? Oh wait but they are, because there is an underground economy that will flourish if there are any tax hikes. Even if they come along with the better efficiencies and less waste that taxpayers raise a fuss over?

To me it all comes down to something that was drilled into me at an early age: there are no free rides. And I apply that to both sides of the coin. I agree that people should not be looking for free rides at the taxpayer's expense and there has been reason for concern in that regard in the past. But taxpayers should not be looking for a free ride while still expecting the same infrastructure and services.

I am very worried that about populist sentiment that expresses dismay over tax increases at all costs. It leaves all but the wealthiest completely prone to predatory practices and a selling off of the future of communities that aren't gated communities.

Look at California. Virtually bankrupt. Too much waste? Bullshit. They've been politically hamstrung for decades, thanks to leaders bowing to populist sentiments in order to win an election. They need some kind of super majority of the voting public to allow for anything to be done with taxes. They've sold off public land and buildings, they've done every trick they can think of to make the books look to be balanced, and yes they slashed and burned services and infrastructure. They went the route of privatization. There is no waste to be had. But the cost of living has still increased over the decades, and the population has grown as well. Funny how they have absolutely no money to provide for their citizenry.

And yet you get insurance companies like AIG making a killing at the worst of times. If you have the money to give them, they will supply their own private workers that douse every square inch of your property with flame-retardant chemicals when one of those huge fires spring up and blow all over. And it works - if they can locate your house with terribly inefficient communications as one would suspect in a firestorm. They have to figure out which houses that signed up are vulnerable to the flames and then get there. They bypass all kinds of houses that are the most vulnerable while struggling to get to those dotted all over the map according to insurance coverage. They play God in other words. We've all seen shots where one house stands alone, and the news coverage is all about how strange and imbalanced nature can be. Except that it's us that made everything strange and out of whack, and the insurance companies make disasters into a huge growth industry. Lovely.

California is not alone. It is just at the head of the pack. And unless we strive for more balance instead of over-reacting to every last bit of waste and governmental over-reach, we are just going to set ourselves up to be sucked dry by private companies. I've seen how money can just disappear into a pit, when I had to work with the bureaucracy of the university of Guelph. It seems fairly unavoidable to a certain extent when you reach a certain level of complexity. But that doesn't mean the answer is every man and woman and child for themselves, with the exception of those who can pay through the nose for some benefits and assistance in hard times. There has to be some middle ground, and most importantly, we cannot place our status as taxpayers far above that as citizens. We cannot look for that free ride and place barriers on finding a way to that middle ground. When the middle ground becomes impossible, then we might as well just turn the clock back a few hundred years or more, or wait for the Chinese to bail us all out.

Hey I wasn't looking for a speech on "free rides" and the corruptions of other governments.

I just want the Government to be straight with us rather than lie to the real reason why they want the HST to come into effect.

The reality is simple in Ontario. The gov't is losing revenue on the lousy economy and is still spending the same amount they did before.

Solution: Spend less and don't interrupt the average persons pocket books by raising taxes.

McGuinty didn't get this concept. Thank you for your speech though
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Hey I wasn't looking for a speech on "free rides" and the corruptions of other governments.

I just want the Government to be straight with us rather than lie to the real reason why they want the HST to come into effect.

The reality is simple in Ontario. The gov't is losing revenue on the lousy economy and is still spending the same amount they did before.

Solution: Spend less and don't interrupt the average persons pocket books by raising taxes.

McGuinty didn't get this concept. Thank you for your speech though
Your solution is the exact same solution that has messed up things badly all over the US. You missed my point entirely. I wasn't talking about corrupt governments. I was talking about populist sentiments regarding taxes, that dug a hole for future generations once implemented. You can only go so far with the spend less mantra, because money actually doesn't grow on trees. It's actually asking for a free ride. And once the hole is big enough there will be all kinds of predators ready to seize power from democratic institutions.

Are governments sneaky about raising taxes? Absolutely. But there is no greater honesty in suggesting that we can just spend less. I'd love to see some real transparency when it comes to our money. I've never understood how we don't make that the first and foremost argument put towards our elected officials. I do suspect it has something to do with our desire to think we might get a free ride, and politicians more than happy to promise one whenever they can.
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Your solution is the exact same solution that has messed up things badly all over the US. You missed my point entirely. I wasn't talking about corrupt governments. I was talking about populist sentiments regarding taxes, that dug a hole for future generations once implemented. You can only go so far with the spend less mantra, because money actually doesn't grow on trees. It's actually asking for a free ride. And once the hole is big enough there will be all kinds of predators ready to seize power from democratic institutions.

Are governments sneaky about raising taxes? Absolutely. But there is no greater honesty in suggesting that we can just spend less. I'd love to see some real transparency when it comes to our money. I've never understood how we don't make that the first and foremost argument put towards our elected officials. I do suspect it has something to do with our desire to think we might get a free ride, and politicians more than happy to promise one whenever they can.
I hear you but the ontario government can easily cut what they spent. The ontario gov't invests way too much money on certain social services. Stuff like that could be stream lined so easily to cut costs. For a gov't that has the LARGEST liquor control board in quite possibly the world they surely spend their money in the wrong way.

Also every since the megacity merger former cities like Etobicoke, North York and Scarbourough are just dumping money into the bottomless pit known as Downtown Toronto. Changes like the Megacity and HST are just masking agents for the gov't. Lets start balancing some books before just changing what we know as GST and PST.
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