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The 1976 swine flu outbreak, also known as the swine flu fiasco, or the swine flu debacle, was a strain of H1N1 influenza virus that appeared in 1976. Infections were only detected from January 19 to February 9, and were not found outside Fort Dix.[1] The outbreak is most remembered for the mass immunization that it prompted in the United States. The strain itself killed one person and hospitalized 13. However, side-effects from the vaccine caused 25 deaths.
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The vaccination program was plagued by delays and public relations problems, but about 24% of the population had been vaccinated by the time the program was canceled. Only one person, the Fort Dix army recruit, died from the flu.
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There were reports of Guillain-Barré syndrome, a paralyzing neuromuscular disorder, affecting some people who had received swine flu immunizations.
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Overall, about 500 cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS), resulting in death from severe pulmonary complications for 25 people, were probably caused by an immunopathological reaction to the 1976 vaccine.
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An outbreak of swine influenza in the United States in early 1976 led to fears a pandemic was emerging. More than 40 million people in the U.S. were vaccinated. The pandemic never materialized
Swine flu vaccine fast-tracked in Canada, U.S., Europe

A major producer of the vaccine this time...
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Baxter International Inc said on Wednesday it completed its first commercial batches of H1N1 vaccine in late July
Baxter completes first swine flu vaccine batches | Reuters

Baxter scandals involving vaccines...
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According to the scientific network PROMED, Baxter International Inc. in Austria "unintentionally contaminated samples with the bird flu virus that were used in laboratories in 3 neighbouring countries, raising concern about the potential spread of the deadly disease"
LifeGen.de - Editorial: Baxter’s H5N1 as global flu pandemic threat

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vaccines contaminated with deadly live H5N1 avian flu virus were recently distributed to 18 countries by a lab at an Austrian branch of Baxter.
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Initially, the company attempted to stonewall questions by invoking “trade secrets” and refused to reveal how the vaccines were contaminated with H5N1. After increased pressure they then claimed that pure H5N1 batches were sent by accident.
Alex Jones’ Prison Planet.com Lawsuit Charges Baxter Used Dangerous Ingredients In Vaccines To Increase Profits

Other recent Baxter scandal brought on by company negligence...
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a lawsuit was filed today against Deerfield Illinois based Baxter International Inc. on behalf of Mark Scott, who suffered the tragic loss his wife Melissa Scott on November 30, 2007. The complaint was filed in the Circuit Court of Cook County by the Nolan Law Group and alleges that Melissa Scotts’ untimely death was caused by her exposure to Heparin Sodium Injection therapy. The complaint cites two counts of product liability and negligence on the part of Baxter International.
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The suit falls on the heels of a recent finding by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) identifying an unknown contaminant found in Baxter heparin.
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manufacturer have recently made headlines due to a lawsuit filed by Actor Dennis Quaid and his wife. The Hollywood couples’ newborn twins were sickened by an accidental overdose of the blood thinner. The Quaid suit accuses Baxter of failing to put clear distinguishing labels on certain vials of heparin, and failing to recall the product after three other infants died because of a mix-up.
Heparin Syringes Result in Deaths

Swine Flu vaccine by Baxter getting push for fast track...
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As pharmaceutical companies rush to make swine flu vaccine, regulators in Canada, the U.S. and Europe are gearing up plans honed over several years on fast-tracking influenza inoculations for a pandemic.
Swine flu vaccine fast-tracked in Canada, U.S., Europe

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About half of Hong Kong's health workers would refuse the swine flu vaccine, new research says, a trend that experts say would likely apply worldwide.
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Most said they would pass on the swine flu shot, which is not yet available, because they were afraid of side effects and doubted how safe and effective it would be.
CTV.ca | Half of health staff would refuse swine flu shot: study

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recent reports suggest that at best only 60 per cent of Canadian doctors, nurses and staff get immunized against seasonal flu. In B.C., according to chief medical health officer Perry Kendall, only 40 per cent of healthcare workers are vaccinated. Since the 1980s, efforts to encourage healthcare professionals to get vaccinated have seen few results.
The Tyee ? The Coming Struggle over Swine Flu Vaccine

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About half of Hong Kong's health workers would refuse the swine flu vaccine, new research says, a trend that experts say would likely apply worldwide.
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Most said they would pass on the swine flu shot, which is not yet available, because they were afraid of side effects and doubted how safe and effective it would be.
CTV.ca | Half of health staff would refuse swine flu shot: study

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What are your thoughts on the swine flu and the vaccinations coming in the fall?

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Old 08-30-2009, 03:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I doubt Swine Flu will be serious. Those that will die will be the old, the young and those with compromised immune systems. There is no need for a cure as no pandemics come in evolving wves.
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Old 08-31-2009, 02:58 AM   #3 (permalink)
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keeping your immune system strong is by far the most important thing you can do for your health. too bad big medicine and pharmaceutical companies wants you to believe otherwise. flu shots of any kind arent that effective anyways, since they are made prior to the actual outbreak and only cover a few variants. Live a healthy lifestyle and wash more hands more often. We'll make it out alive im sure.
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Old 08-31-2009, 08:35 AM   #4 (permalink)
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the most dangerous thing about vaccines is the formaldehyde and mercury they contain. neither ever truly leaves the body. they store themselves in the fattest area of the body, the brain. which has led some people to theorize why autism and ADD and other neurological disorders are rising at drastic levels in industrialized nations practicing vaccinations.
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i'm actually against flu shots.
i'm against these 'too good to be true' miracle shots that will keep you immune from getting sick.
what these do is end up making your imune system weaker, because your immune system wont have to do any work to fight off bacteria.

I actually have a theory that future children of today 1990's-2009+ babies will be sicker and more susceptible to catching sicknesses and diseases. their bodies arent strong enough, their immune systems are weaker.
is it a coincidence that over 25% of kids are allergic to something?
i remember drinking water out of my neighbors backyard water hose when i was a kid... now, these kids have their bottled and distilled water...
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i'm actually against flu shots.
i'm against these 'too good to be true' miracle shots that will keep you immune from getting sick.
what these do is end up making your imune system weaker, because your immune system wont have to do any work to fight off bacteria.

I actually have a theory that future children of today 1990's-2009+ babies will be sicker and more susceptible to catching sicknesses and diseases. their bodies arent strong enough, their immune systems are weaker.
is it a coincidence that over 25% of kids are allergic to something?
i remember drinking water out of my neighbors backyard water hose when i was a kid... now, these kids have their bottled and distilled water...
The allergies come from al of the different industrial particles that land on just about anything and that get attached when something is made or filtered. As to your theory, it is partially correct as vaccines are just a weakend form of one strain of the influenza virus. However, the body will not know how to deal with other strands so it really makes no difference. It still dopes work to fight off the bacteria. The latest generation of kids will actually have the same type of immunes systems as we do as there are always new strands of influenza and other viruses and bacteria evolving. Oh and vaccinations don't protect against bacteria, only viruses. You use antibiotics for bacteria.
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keeping your immune system strong is by far the most important thing you can do for your health. too bad big medicine and pharmaceutical companies wants you to believe otherwise. flu shots of any kind arent that effective anyways, since they are made prior to the actual outbreak and only cover a few variants. Live a healthy lifestyle and wash more hands more often. We'll make it out alive im sure.
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i'm actually against flu shots.
i'm against these 'too good to be true' miracle shots that will keep you immune from getting sick.
what these do is end up making your imune system weaker, because your immune system wont have to do any work to fight off bacteria.
Flu shots actually do what you're looking for. They make the immune system react to a small amount of virus in order to store up more antibodies.
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the most dangerous thing about vaccines is the formaldehyde and mercury they contain. neither ever truly leaves the body. they store themselves in the fattest area of the body, the brain. which has led some people to theorize why autism and ADD and other neurological disorders are rising at drastic levels in industrialized nations practicing vaccinations.
Could the rise in diagnosed neurological disorders be due to the neurological zeitgeist of the last few decades? The link between mercury in vaccines and autism was crushed quite a while ago.
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Could the rise in diagnosed neurological disorders be due to the neurological zeitgeist of the last few decades? The link between mercury in vaccines and autism was crushed quite a while ago.
I believe it's because neurologists these days are much smarter than before. Neurological disorders are jmmuch easier to pick up now than 50 years ago.
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Could the rise in diagnosed neurological disorders be due to the neurological zeitgeist of the last few decades? The link between mercury in vaccines and autism was crushed quite a while ago.
what do you mean by the "neurological zeitgeist"? and crushed by who? you? i know lots of docs medical and naturopath and it's still a big concern among those who haven't sold their souls to shady think tanks and private interests.
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keeping your immune system strong is by far the most important thing you can do for your health. too bad big medicine and pharmaceutical companies wants you to believe otherwise. flu shots of any kind arent that effective anyways, since they are made prior to the actual outbreak and only cover a few variants. Live a healthy lifestyle and wash more hands more often. We'll make it out alive im sure.
Logic would bring you to that thought but in reality...


First, let's establish what a Cytokine storm is:
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At all times, white blood cells circulate in the bloodstream and are the first to sense if a virus or bacteria has infiltrated the body. Immediately, our body sends immune cells, including T-cells and macrophages, to attack the infection. During this stage, our immunity functions properly, and immune cells attack the microbes so they do not get too strong a foothold in our lungs.

For reasons not completely known, too many immune cells can be sent to the infection site. This happens when a particular type of molecule in the body, known as cytokines, activate the immune cells at the infection site and cause more immune cells to flood the site of infection. This propagates what is referred to as a cytokine storm where far too many immune cells are caught in an endless loop of calling more and more immune cells to fight the infection. The cytokine storm ends up inflaming the tissue surrounding the infection.

When the infection is in the lungs, severe inflammation caused by a cytokine storm can cause permanent lung damage. A prolonged cytokine storm will eventually shut down breathing altogether. Airducts get clogged and cells no longer properly absorb oxygen. This is what makes the cytokine storm so deadly in certain epidemic strains, such as bird flu. Even bronchitis, other varieties of influenza, pneumonia, sepsis and possibly rheumatoid arthritis are susceptible to triggering a cytokine storm.
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new swine flu variant whose victims are primarily young. Not only does this influenza A strain appear to be a previously unknown combination of bird, swine, and human genetic material, but the course of fatal illness caused by this bad actor seems to be marked by a 'cytokine storm' that leads to grave lung damage in those affected.
Denver Doc Online: Cytokine storm and the H1N1 swine flu virus

So this virus, based on the accepted theory, could hurt people with strong immune systems more than those with weak immune systems. From what I've seen on TV most people who have died were either old or already weak from other issues or both.

One problem I see with how the powers that be are handling the H1N1 virus is that most people who are being diagnosed with Swine Flu weren't diagnosed via lab testing. Because of this one has to ask the question, Swine flu has the same symptoms as the common flu...So how do we know for certain who really has it unless lab testing is done for each and every suspected case? I've read stories about doctors in the U.S. planning on diagnosing people over the phone. Am I the only one who thinks that's completely ridiculous?

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Logic would bring you to that thought but in reality...


First, let's establish what a Cytokine storm is:

What is the Cytokine Storm?

Now, how it applies to the H1N1 virus:

Denver Doc Online: Cytokine storm and the H1N1 swine flu virus

So this virus, based on the accepted theory, could hurt people with strong immune systems more than those with weak immune systems. From what I've seen on TV most people who have died were either old or already weak from other issues or both.

One problem I see with how the powers that be are handling the H1N1 virus is that most people who are being diagnosed with Swine Flu weren't diagnosed via lab testing. Because of this one has to ask the question, Swine flu has the same symptoms as the common flu...So how do we know for certain who really has it unless lab testing is done for each and every suspected case? I've read stories about doctors in the U.S. planning on diagnosing people over the phone. Am I the only one who thinks that's completely ridiculous?
Pure BS! Swine flu cannot evolve from mild to deadly as no pandemic has ever done it or ever will as that takes a couple of months and in those months season's change. Furthermore, swine flu is just another strain of the flu virus and basicalluy kills mostly those that would die from normal flu.
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Pure BS! Swine flu cannot evolve from mild to deadly as no pandemic has ever done it or ever will as that takes a couple of months and in those months season's change. Furthermore, swine flu is just another strain of the flu virus and basicalluy kills mostly those that would die from normal flu.
You're wrong. It's not as simple as another strain of the regular flu and it doesn't kills as many people as the normal flu. The problem people are worried about is mutations. The 1918 flu(Spanish flu), which had a high kill rate, didn't appear out of thin air. No flu appears out of thin air. The 1976 swine flu didn't appear out of thin air either and luckily for people back then it only killed one person...The vaccine hurt a lot more people. I hope what goes down this winter is closer to '76 than '18 in terms of severity of the flu(s). I know I'm not taking the shots either way because this whole development has shades of '76.

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You're wrong. It's not as simple as another strain of the regular flu and it doesn't kills as many people as the normal flu. The problem people are worried about is mutations. The 1918 flu(Spanish flu), which had a high kill rate, didn't appear out of thin air. No flu appears out of thin air. The 1976 swine flu didn't appear out of thin air either and luckily for people back then it only killed one person...The vaccine hurt a lot more people. I hope what goes down this winter is closer to '76 than '18 in terms of severity of the flu(s). I know I'm not taking the shots either way because this whole development has shades of '76.
However pandemics never evolve over different seasons from mild to serious. Well anyways we'll see.
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what do you mean by the "neurological zeitgeist"? and crushed by who? you? i know lots of docs medical and naturopath and it's still a big concern among those who haven't sold their souls to shady think tanks and private interests.
By neurological zeitgeist, I mean the rapid expansion of neuroscience, psychology, and increased recognition of conditions like ADHD and Autism.

Don't trust a naturopath for your information: go straight to studies in scientific journals, my friend.
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By neurological zeitgeist, I mean the rapid expansion of neuroscience, psychology, and increased recognition of conditions like ADHD and Autism.

Don't trust a naturopath for your information: go straight to studies in scientific journals, my friend.
well naturopaths know just as much about medicine. they practice a more critical and co-creative form of science. poopooing them for the canon is ridiculous. and saying it's the zeitgeist is plane wrong. the zeitgeist happened forty years ago and the number for ADHD and Autism has drastically risen in the last 15-20 years. they're saying it's on the rise, and that's what their findings are showing.
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well naturopaths know just as much about medicine. they practice a more critical and co-creative form of science. poopooing them for the canon is ridiculous. and saying it's the zeitgeist is plane wrong. the zeitgeist happened forty years ago and the number for ADHD and Autism has drastically risen in the last 15-20 years. they're saying it's on the rise, and that's what their findings are showing.
Naturopaths typically offer treatments that have no net positive effect, or are unable to beat the placebo effect. Complimentary and Alternative Medicine is almost exclusively nonsense, but I'd be interested to hear more about how you think that it is both a more "critical" and "co-creative" form of science, when naturopathy is based on completely unscientific premises.

Why would Autism diagnoses increase? Could it be because there was a significant change in understanding the diagnosis of autism, starting in 1991? Why is it that mercury based vaccines started in the 1930's, yet the autism "epidemic" didn't start until the 90's? Why is it that, since removing thimerosal from most vaccines in 1999, there has not been a statistically significant change in autism rates? Why is it that applying the more current criteria to past autism studies results in approximately the same rate?

This is not to say that it is impossible that there could be some environmental factor that causes an increase in autism rates, but there is certainly no causal link established or well understood; we're not even certain that there is actually a statistically significant increase in autism rates.
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Naturopaths have medicine that wasn't just mass produced yesterday but has worked over the ages. There are a few imposter natyuropaths but they do work. Most of the medicine they give works because of osmething we will discover 10 years from now. Eastern medicine=western mediceine
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Naturopaths have medicine that wasn't just mass produced yesterday but has worked over the ages. There are a few imposter natyuropaths but they do work. Most of the medicine they give works because of osmething we will discover 10 years from now. Eastern medicine=western mediceine
Give me examples of the treatments you are claiming work.
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