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Old 11-03-2009, 12:18 PM   #81 (permalink)
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this whole thing is blowing out of proportion now...
i had to deliver these test certificates to someone at work, and whenever i meet him - in the past - we shakes hands and exchange pleasantries. this time however, i go to shake his hand and he jumps back, gives me a once over (to see if i'm looking sick or have any signs of sickness), then after i pass his "sick-test", he gingerly shakes my hand quickly.
i was a bit offended by this.
people are freaking out and its going a bit overboard now dont you think?
Yeah, it is getting out of hand. A lot of fear over something that when put into numbers seems to be far less severe than the ordinary seasonal flu. I seen a new stat the other day. Out of the small amount of Canadian who have died from H1N1(below 100), 80% of them had some sort of other none related health issues. As for the other 20%, they didn't mention but we're talking less than 20 people out of thousands who have caught it here.

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Last I checked, my body was a fine tuned and amazing marvel of nature, much like a lot of ours are. I can create an immunity myself. But thats just my choice.

I know there are at risk people out there, and a tiny percentage of people that are healthy that might succumb to a Flu virus, I am willing to take that risk, but I will try not to endanger others.

I think it's a personal choice, and it's healthy to know your options, and your RISKS. Yes, there are Risks with any Vaccine, and risks with avoiding that same vaccine.

Stay healthy.

Get your sleep

Eat well.

And stay clean.

If you're sick, stay home, even if its a bit, fuck it, there is a pandemic, your boss will understand and respect your decision. Play your XBOX.

We cannot be a culture that basis it's existance on fear, nor shall we move forward with any efficieny as a society if we move forward with apathy and a lack of knowledge. So read, and learn, and read more than one point of view.

We all have the ability to control our lives, as well as compassionately care for others. So lets do more of that, and less hating what we do not understand or agree with.

Cheers
Good post SJ. Taking vitamins can help a lot from what I've read. Going into flu season I made the decision to not take the shots anymore for various reasons but I have been proactive in keeping my body healthy and relying on my natural immune system to battle off flus and cold. I'm taking vitamin C & D, Omega 3 and Cod Liver oil capsules. My grandfather (age 70) and my GREAT grandmother(101) both swear by cod liver oil and both rarely ever get sick.

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Old 11-03-2009, 03:03 PM   #82 (permalink)
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You really should do some research on cod liver oil. Don't just blindly go and consume the stuff.

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..."One concern about taking cod liver oil is the presence of contaminants -heavy metals (such as mercury, cadmium and lead), PCBs and so forth.
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Other concerns over cod liver oil consumption are related to mercury contamination and contamination from other industrial pollutants. Mercury is stored in the livers of fish. Thus, there is a greater chance of mercury contamination in oils that come from fish livers. The source of most cod liver oils is the Atlantic Cod fish, which has been over harvested and swims in some of the most polluted waters in the world.
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You can overdose on cod liver oil however, which is regarded to be the ’sewer of the sea’. It also contains a lot of Vitamin A which can be detrimental to your health.
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Old 11-04-2009, 08:52 AM   #84 (permalink)
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:05 AM   #85 (permalink)
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You really should do some research on cod liver oil. Don't just blindly go and consume the stuff.







It's a conspiracy!!!
I have done research on it and you don't need to act like a d-bag. Its unnecessary.
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Nobody said big pharma doesn't try hard to make a buck. It's a logical fallacy, though, to conclude that because pharmaceutical companies make money vaccines must be bullshit. There are a number of products produced by pharmaceutical companies that are not that beneficial or pose risks. It all comes down to cost/benefit analysis when you decide to take a product or not. Time and time again, vaccines have been proven to have a high benefit, because the chances of getting ill from the virus the vaccine is combating is greater than the chance of an allergic reaction. Pharmaceutical companies try to make money, but they also save lives. The truth is not always black and white; the world is full of grey. Both things can be true: pharma makes a profit and saves lives.

Yes, the population of the globe is getting out of hand. But people like you cherry pick evidence and ignore things that contradict your world view. For example, if there was really a conspiracy to cut down the population in 3rd world countries, the pharmaceutical companies would stop providing cheaper medication to the third world where things like Polio still exist and AIDS is killing people by the millions. Western governments have been subsidizing medication and providing foreign aid that keeps those people alive. You need to look at both sides of the issue, not just the facts that confirm what you want to believe. Like I said, mistakes happen, and pharmaceutical companies and governments do fuck up sometimes, but not everything is a conspiracy. Humans fuck up sometimes, so why would institutions run by humans be error free? The key is to demand solid, peer reviewed evidence when it comes to matters of science. You should also think critically about your sources of information. The funny thing is, many of the people who are against vaccines are against them in order to make money. It's ironic when people like you complain about big pharma making money of the swine flu, because that's exactly what fake news organizations and pseudo science websites do. They exploit ignorance and fear in order to keep people coming back to them for more information. There's bullshit on both sides of the fence, that's why you need to scrutinize sources and sift your way through the information before yelling conspiracy.

"For example, if there was really a conspiracy to cut down the population in 3rd world countries, the pharmaceutical companies would stop providing cheaper medication to the third world where things like Polio still exist and AIDS is killing people by the millions. "

- where is the proof that pharmaceutical companies is providing cheaper meds to third world countries.

"Like I said, mistakes happen, and pharmaceutical companies and governments do fuck up sometimes, but not everything is a conspiracy. "

- hardly anything nowadays on a worldwide scale such as terrorist attacts, economic crisis, swine flu - are done by accident. They are most likely orchestrated to obtain the goal of hidden agendas.

"The key is to demand solid, peer reviewed evidence when it comes to matters of science." - so was the vaccine proven by peer reviewed so called scientists to approve it is safe before giving it to 5 billion people? or was it just rushed to give it to 90% of the population..... even if it was peer reviewed, it wouldn't be by independant scientists although of course they say it would.
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You really should do some research on cod liver oil. Don't just blindly go and consume the stuff.
what's wrong with it?
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Old 11-05-2009, 09:15 AM   #88 (permalink)
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New information here, Asking Questions to people in the lineup is forbidden unless you show your id. What's wrong with asking questions? I guess these guys will be labeled terrorists now,
So now you know it's not just happening in USA, Canada is a part of the whole scheme.
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Oh well, so what.

So it drives the economy a bit, we need a boost in the arm..... get it.... a boost in the arm..... ahhhhhh forget it
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It's a conspiracy!!!

i used to take a cheap west indian brand of cod liver oil when i was a kid.... everytime i burped it would taste fishy.
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New information here, Asking Questions to people in the lineup is forbidden unless you show your id. What's wrong with asking questions? I guess these guys will be labeled terrorists now,
So now you know it's not just happening in USA, Canada is a part of the whole scheme.
Just watched that video. In regards to the 4:33 mark to 5 minute mark, if a problem ever arose where a substantial group of Canadians were damaged by such a vaccine and the government backed a foreign corporation's legal battle against the public, there would be rioting in the streets. That's just ridiculous. I have a hard time believing that part. It would be political suicide for everyone in the party involved and that's while not getting into the ethical issues.
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here is an interesting graph.. relates to the topic in an indirect manner..
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Its also an interesting note that in the third world countries in which are heavily targetted by the UN/WHO for vaccinations, the fertility rate has dropped substantially, almost to the 2.1 mark needed for no further growth, and past that mark in some areas... keep in mind these were around 7.

Do a quick search on tetanus shots causing millions of women infertility.
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Just watched that video. In regards to the 4:33 mark to 5 minute mark, if a problem ever arose where a substantial group of Canadians were damaged by such a vaccine and the government backed a foreign corporation's legal battle against the public, there would be rioting in the streets. That's just ridiculous. I have a hard time believing that part. It would be political suicide for everyone in the party involved and that's while not getting into the ethical issues.


If rioting does occur in the streets, public, then there will be police and swat teams trained and properly equiped with weapons for crowd control.
It just has never happened yet in Rapsnation but i'm sure you can feel a push starting and i can assure that it is only going to get stronger.
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Old 11-05-2009, 02:26 PM   #94 (permalink)
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here is an interesting graph.. relates to the topic in an indirect manner..
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Its also an interesting note that in the third world countries in which are heavily targetted by the UN/WHO for vaccinations, the fertility rate has dropped substantially, almost to the 2.1 mark needed for no further growth, and past that mark in some areas... keep in mind these were around 7.

Do a quick search on tetanus shots causing millions of women infertility.
Nice info, where did you get the graph from?
Just saw some videos and articles how children and pregnant women are priority groups to receive it first. Children and pregnant women are more likely to be fertile so if they take it then they will also become infertile along with all those already affected. The substance squalene and mercury i hear never leaves your body no matter whatever detox you take, it will be with you the rest of your life. I was hoping their goal was not more than a 10% population reduction but as it stands, the number is 90% reduction which means me and you.
Most of the public won't do anything and just do as they are told, put a smiling face on TV that has good looks and people will follow. Until they see themselves dying, it will be too late to reverse anything.
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- hardly anything nowadays on a worldwide scale such as terrorist attacts, economic crisis, swine flu - are done by accident. They are most likely orchestrated to obtain the goal of hidden agendas.
Okay, you are asking me to prove well documented facts, such as foreign aid through subsidizing medicine, yet you make a statement like this without offering any evidence? You're being ironic. You think almost everything is orchestrated, eh?

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here is an interesting graph.. relates to the topic in an indirect manner..
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Its also an interesting note that in the third world countries in which are heavily targetted by the UN/WHO for vaccinations, the fertility rate has dropped substantially, almost to the 2.1 mark needed for no further growth, and past that mark in some areas... keep in mind these were around 7.

Do a quick search on tetanus shots causing millions of women infertility.
i hope you are not trying to link the drop in fertility rate with vaccinations, because that would be completely wrong. the economist newspaper has a whole section this week regarding fertility rates and goes to great lengths to document reasons why this is happening. none of it has to do with vaccinces. mostly it is due to changing financial pressures and the demographic adjustments that go with increasing urbanization and education levels. it's fascinating. on a basic level, it has to do with the trade offs families see by having more kids and a parent that does not work (in the fields or in an emploiyment situation) vs two working parents. in rural communities, especially ones with high infant mortality rates and low levels of care for seniors, families needed large numbers of kids to work the fields and to care for the parents in their later years. eventually, though, the land gets parcelled into smaller and smaller pieces, meaning less return for greater numbers of people. this is coupled with increasing urbanization where individuals can find stable work in non-agricultural settings, means that both parents are able to work and a higher standard of living is achievable for the family when the number of children is kept low. add to this better hygeine and medical care leading to lower infant mortality rates, and families feel less pressure to have children. the final piece is that the vast numbers of young people from the previously high fertiity rates are becoming educated and are learning about family planning and contraception, which also contributes to a declining fertility rate. the birth rate is increasing because lots of people are still having babies, but people are having fewer babies per head (the fertility rate is declining) because they can achieve higher standards of living with fewer children and better medical care means that those smaller numbers of children have a better chance of succeeding. it can also be mentioned that in countries where education levels are on the rise, big families mean massive education costs. another reason to keep your family small.

and all of this is a good thing because it helps to stabilize the world's population.

this has absolutely nothing to do with vaccines. nothing.
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Its also an interesting note that in the third world countries in which are heavily targetted by the UN/WHO for vaccinations, the fertility rate has dropped substantially, almost to the 2.1 mark needed for no further growth, and past that mark in some areas... keep in mind these were around 7.

Do a quick search on tetanus shots causing millions of women infertility.
First off, I edited this post because Trane made some great points and this part would just be redundant. Thank you, Trane, for the words of wisdom.

Second, let's look at the bold part of your quote. You told the rest of us to "Do a quick search." If someone is REALLY interested in truth and education on serious matters, they don't "do a quick" search. It takes more than a few minutes to educate yourself on important issues, and that's why so few people do it. They usually let someone else make up their minds for them. What's so ironic about it, is that those same people, like you, usually call others sheep or whack jobs. And you did exactly that in one of your earlier posts.

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I wish we would just stop trying to cure everything that kills us and get used to the fact that human beings are not immortal.

Over population is shitty.
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I wish we would just stop trying to cure everything that kills us and get used to the fact that human beings are not immortal.
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Okay, you are asking me to prove well documented facts, such as foreign aid through subsidizing medicine, yet you make a statement like this without offering any evidence? You're being ironic. You think almost everything is orchestrated, eh?
Evidence? Read the declassified document "operation northwoods"
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20...northwoods.pdf

And for the swine flu
https://share.acrobat.com/adc/adc.do...7-0592054b3675

No i don't think everything is orchestrated, I said world wide events which would bring about drastic changes such as changes in government policies, new laws and acts being created and of course this topic.
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