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Dino Blogger 08-31-2008 01:24 PM

God Bless New Orleans
 
I just wanted to express my deepest concern for the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast residents in the United States. These people have had to deal with far to much.

Dr. J. Naismith 08-31-2008 02:49 PM

Yeah, its horrible. I think I heard this morning that they are evacuating 1 million people today. Hopefully this isn't Katrina all over again. :(

dfunkie1 08-31-2008 02:52 PM

they're saying bigger than katrina. i hope everyone gets out safe before that place is permanently below water.

Ugo Ferst 08-31-2008 03:53 PM

Yes hopefully everything will turn out good for them :(

Gurk 08-31-2008 05:00 PM

Wow another hurricane in New Orleans. Sad, if I lived there I would just move out and live some where else. That city is now Hurricane prone

Belsius 08-31-2008 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dino Blogger (Post 53133)
I just wanted to express my deepest concern for the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast residents in the United States. These people have had to deal with far to much.

Im hope nothing too bad happends too, but I find a little hypocrite the fact that nobody is saying anything about the rest of the countries affected by the Hurricane, and I dont think what they are dealing is anything compared with what many people in this world are suffering.

So yeah, poor them, but its just another tragedy in a tragic world.

dfunkie1 08-31-2008 08:26 PM

those hurricanes are cat 2-3 reaching cat 4 in new orleans. it's not hypocritical. you don't hear much about hurricane season in florida at all due to the fact that it doesn't put millions of people on the run. it gets this much attention because it this that serious. i don't know what you mean about the attention. are you talking about natural disasters? the recent events in china and indonesia gathered lots of care and attention. then before with iran, tsunami, the heat wave in spain.....

LX 08-31-2008 10:54 PM

I think he's talking about this actual hurricane - Gustav. You don't hear so much about how it tore through Jamaica and Cuba and wherever else. You hear about the death toll, and then you get talk about how it's headed for NO. I'm not sure hypocritical was the right word, but I get what Bel is saying.

There is also the sort of watching of disasters that works on the same kind of triggers as porn. I find it happening with myself anyway. There's a certain need for them to be bigger and deadlier in a way. If 100 people die in NO this week, there will be a little voice in me that says - is that all? And then I will await the next big disaster. It's just the way the media works these things. I've been trained to be jarred by the unfathomable, and then taken to the next story, or maybe an ad for Jello pudding, as if it was nothing. There's the little burst of opiates in the brain with the initial excitement and stress, and then the recognition that I can just continue on in the usual lull, but that to and fro becomes almost necessary, and in the end the reality of the situation just gets completely lost. That's why I find alternative media sources, and in-depth media sources so important. But still it's a pretty cold world in the big scheme of things. And the strangest thing is that when I'm able to really connect with parts of the world that go through a lot of desperate situations, through the travel I've been lucky to enjoy, then I find that there is mostly a richness and depth to life that is just utterly missing here. But of course I find all that amidst some misery that I pretty much need to avert my eyes from - and there is absolutely no opiate-effect when real misery stares you in the face up close.

Belsius 09-01-2008 12:59 AM

I have read god bless NO, but havent read god bless Cuba or Jamaica where hundreds have died becuase of the Hurricane.
Millions moving? well at least they have omewhere to go. Its pretty hypocrite, it annoys me people saying, "they have that delt with far too much". Guess what, they havent compared to the 2 billion people leaving in disaster each day. Its like a life in your country is more important than a live in another country.
A good example is the plane that crushed in madrid the other day and 160 people died. They were talking about it 24/7 here, well , I actually dont give a fuck. People die every day and its a tragedy, but dont expect me to feel worse about them than when a suicide bomber explotes in Baghdad.

MetroStar 09-01-2008 07:04 PM

I can't believe what has happened to this wonderful city and what is going to happen.I was there in 2001 and could never imagine that such terrible things we to happen... God bless the people of New Orleans and give them courage.

Acie 09-01-2008 07:42 PM

Not to make light of the situation, but everytime I read the title of this thread all I can think about is this song.


Snooch 09-02-2008 02:08 PM

You know what, I do feel bad that another hurricane is on the way or whatever but (alot of people arent going to like this one) how can I possibly feel overly sorry for someone who continues to live in an area that gets hit by these sorts of things. Hurricane zones, Tsunami, earthquakes etc gennerally happen more so in specific spots, ie california and china earthquales, tsunamis in the phillipines and thailand etc. If you live in these areas then housing should be assemble to withstand the onslaught of the weather. I live in a flood zone and my house, alike all the others is on raised platforms and I have a little boat. When it floods my floors stay dry and I can get in and out with my boat.

It's like the people overseas who "havent any clean drinking water" Canada started in the same place that these countries did, with nothing, we just knew enough to not shit and piss in our water.

Another thing is why do people continue to live in an arid desert environment then complain that they have no water and cant grow food? I wonder why?

Its 2008, man was sent to the moon 40 years ago, we have misslis that could shoot the pecker off a fly from 250 miles, we have nanite technology and we can receive a radio signal and TV anywhere in the world. Why the fuck cant we teach people to plan ahead and be prepared.

Dont shit in your drinking water, dont live in an area were natural disaster is a recurring thing, dont live anywhere were the environment doesnt contribute to sustaining any sort of life

End Rant...

(No offense to the peoples who are trapped in this sort of situation and cannot free themselves from it, but if my family was starving living somewhere I would do EVERYTHING to get them the fuck out.)

'trane 09-02-2008 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SnoochieBoochie (Post 53280)

It's like the people overseas who "havent any clean drinking water" Canada started in the same place that these countries did, with nothing, we just knew enough to not shit and piss in our water.

Another thing is why do people continue to live in an arid desert environment then complain that they have no water and cant grow food? I wonder why?

Its 2008, man was sent to the moon 40 years ago, we have misslis that could shoot the pecker off a fly from 250 miles, we have nanite technology and we can receive a radio signal and TV anywhere in the world. Why the fuck cant we teach people to plan ahead and be prepared.

Dont shit in your drinking water, dont live in an area were natural disaster is a recurring thing, dont live anywhere were the environment doesnt contribute to sustaining any sort of life

End Rant...

(No offense to the peoples who are trapped in this sort of situation and cannot free themselves from it, but if my family was starving living somewhere I would do EVERYTHING to get them the fuck out.)

dude, i was with you for a while, but this stuff is just plain ignorant. if you live in a poverty-stricken country with no access to technology, resources or knowledge, how the fuck do you expect to get to get the fuck out? multiply that by millions of people in exactly the same situation all competing for the same chance to a) survive, or b) by some miracle get the fuck out... you do the math.

as for the point that canada started off in the same place... yeesh... canada 'started off' - depending on your argument - with either a massive, lush piece of territory and a small aboriginal population, or the full might of both england and france at the pinnacle of their empires.

drinking water in sudan, for instance, is not exactly... well not even remotely close.

Claudius 09-02-2008 02:25 PM

Secondly, having clean drinking water is almost an entirely 20th century convention. For the longest time Western European states up until the mid 19th century "pissed and shit" in their water. They didn't have developed sewer systems and really didn't understand the need for sewer systems till the mid 19th century. So having clean drinking water is very much a new thing that we're very lucky to have. If not for technology we'd still be in the same boat.

Hell, how "civilized" are we? We're so ridiculously dependent upon modern technology. Without it, we'd be lost. For alot of people that's their ancestral lands, going to tell them to move is equivalent to me going to your home and saying leave even though you've been there for generations. Please, do some additional reading before spouting off.

Snooch 09-02-2008 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 53283)
dude, i was with you for a while, but this stuff is just plain ignorant. if you live in a poverty-stricken country with no access to technology, resources or knowledge, how the fuck do you expect to get to get the fuck out? multiply that by millions of people in exactly the same situation all competing for the same chance to a) survive, or b) by some miracle get the fuck out... you do the math.

as for the point that canada started off in the same place... yeesh... canada 'started off' - depending on your argument - with either a massive, lush piece of territory and a small aboriginal population, or the full might of both england and france at the pinnacle of their empires.

drinking water in sudan, for instance, is not exactly... well not even remotely close.

No I know, I was on a bit of a tangent there.

But should it not be inherent that drinking water should not be messed with. My family started in a small dirt floor shack, eating only what the caught, no medicine, no roads, no neighbours nearby for miles and miles and absolutley no education. The goats never got washed in the brook and neither did my great great grantparents, that was only for drinking.

And as far as people getting out of a poverty stricken country, walking is a start. One foot in front of the other until a better place is found. The problem didnt just happen anyways, why did people decide to settle there in the first place, there is the point I was making.

That all being said I still help send over groups of people every year to dig wells, and would like to start a campaign to just send over drilling trucks, buy up some of the old ones hear and deliver them over there and teach them how to drill wells. On top of that I still have my sponsor kids.

dfunkie1 09-02-2008 02:31 PM

your rant sucks. no every country is blessed with an economy as rich as ours. places like indonesia can't afford these luxuries of homes that'll withstand giant fucking tidal waves. there's over 200 million people that live there. where do you suppose they can just all pack up and leave to? did you think before you wrote your rant? or did the words i'm just a big ignorant dink run thru your head as words spilled out onto your computer? here's another one, how many countries have five great lakes that produce a large percentage of the worlds fresh water supply? right. and if we're so smart, how come those lakes are so heavily polluted.

these hurrincans and earthquakes that these people are withstanding in southern states are far worse then the norm. when was the last major quake in cali? the one before that? how many major floods and disasters has florida withstood?

Snooch 09-02-2008 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claudius (Post 53286)
Secondly, having clean drinking water is almost an entirely 20th century convention. For the longest time Western European states up until the mid 19th century "pissed and shit" in their water. They didn't have developed sewer systems and really didn't understand the need for sewer systems till the mid 19th century. So having clean drinking water is very much a new thing that we're very lucky to have. If not for technology we'd still be in the same boat.

Hell, how "civilized" are we? We're so ridiculously dependent upon modern technology. Without it, we'd be lost. For alot of people that's their ancestral lands, going to tell them to move is equivalent to me going to your home and saying leave even though you've been there for generations. Please, do some additional reading before spouting off.

Have to disagree with you, both the egyptians and romans and mayans and azteks all had some sort of sewer, drinking water and arrigation sytems in place in their city structures.

And as far as being dependent on "modern technology" speak for yourself. I dont know about you but I can fish or hunt, clean the animal, start a fire and cook it. I can cut down wood, split and dry it and heat my home/cook my food. I can grow my own vegetables and fruit. I can build my own shelter. "Modern Technology" makes some things easier but life is still built off the sweat of ones back.

And the final difference is the problem I have with it is that people settled into this place to begin with. There is no way to support life adequatley in some of these places because the earth will not allow it.

Lets all go move to Death Valley and start a farming community. Doesnt make sense does it?

In order to feed these people, greenhouses will need to be built to allow for sufficient enough of an evironment to be able to grow food.

'trane 09-02-2008 02:36 PM

yikes snooch. i don't even know what to say...

"walking is a start"... so, if i get you right, a good 1/3 - 1/2, or even more, of the world's population should just get up and walk to the handful of countries that offer a quality standard of living? all at once? across deserts and oceans, without passports or money or educations...?

?

ummmmm....

'trane 09-02-2008 02:37 PM

Quote:

And as far as being dependent on "modern technology" speak for yourself. I dont know about you but I can fish or hunt, clean the animal, start a fire and cook it. I can cut down wood, split and dry it and heat my home/cook my food. I can grow my own vegetables and fruit. I can build my own shelter. "Modern Technology" makes some things easier but life is still built off the sweat of ones back.
dude, you live in CANADA, not ethiopia.

Dr. J. Naismith 09-02-2008 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 53292)
dude, you live in CANADA, not ethiopia.

Have you been to New Brunswick 'trane? ;)


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