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Old 06-30-2010, 07:08 PM   #281 (permalink)
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I can see why you'd say that I'm going by the "book".

What you call it "going by the book" I call it a new breed of police officers
with a university/college education in the background of human behavior, psychology; alternative conflict resolution, effective interpersonal communication, human diversity, effective interviewing techniques, crisis intervention and case management; with strong understanding of ethnic, cultural and lifestyle diversity as well as human rights...and a lot more.

These types of officers exist and are (unfortunately) rare.

I'd much rather deal with cop with this kind of background than with someone who only has his high school diploma and went through 8-13 months of police academy/training; where they barely touch up on the things which I listed above.

Like I said, if you can't handle the stress and risks that come with being a police officer then YOU SHOULDN'T FUCKIN GET INTO IT. But I know the "police culture" or the culture of the 'first responders' (EMS, Nurses, Firefighters) - it's not the healthiest by any means.

The stuff that goes on with in their circles is fucked up; high divorce rates, alcohol/drug abuse, depression, PTSD, exhaustion (overworked) ...etc. Most of these statistics are not release to public. All of these things have a huge impact on their work performance and how they deal with certain stations. And it's no secret that police develop a lot of 'prejudices' which result in constant abuse of their 'authority'.

So, I'd rather deal with a cop that's going by the "book" (which should mean that he's well educated and knows how to do his job effectively and appropriately) then deal with some ASSHOLE who gets off on his power trips and lives under constant assumption of: "It's us against them (public)".
I agree with you 100% my friend.

I'm fortunate to have buddies on the force who ARE those types of officers.... unfortunately you're right... they're rare.

I've never understood how some of these idiots pass the psychological testing to even get INTO OPC. It's pretty frustrating.

That being said I still think that you may be asking a bit much for ALL cops (both on the field and behind the scenes) to behave perfectly.
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And that is my biggest problem. Cops were put into a bad position. It was not about them responding. It was about crowd control through over-reaching powers. I get when some cops end up looking bad when responding to dickish protestors that aim to provoke cops. Frankly had cops gone overboard on the vandals - and they were vandals, not terrorists as our chief suggests - then I'd have sided with the cops. But that wasn't the case, and it was set up to not be the case right from the start.
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Old 06-30-2010, 07:33 PM   #283 (permalink)
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Here's one example where a police officer actually knows how to communicate with people with respect and patience. He's still doing his job, while not acting like an asshole with a "little dick syndrome".

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Old 06-30-2010, 07:43 PM   #284 (permalink)
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Here's one example where a police officer actually knows how to communicate with people with respect and patience. He's still doing his job, while not acting like an asshole with a "little dick syndrome".

YouTube - G20 Toronto Gestapo -New world Order police ID check PT 2
watching that guy and listening to him makes me believe that every bit of police brutality that occurred throughout the G20 was justified.
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Old 06-30-2010, 08:02 PM   #285 (permalink)
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watching that guy and listening to him makes me believe that every bit of police brutality that occurred throughout the G20 was justified.
Lol... I was thinking the same thing.

Kudos to the officer though. He did a nice job.

The thing that really makes me laugh is that douches like that are probably the FIRST ones crying to police when something bad happens to them.
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Old 06-30-2010, 08:07 PM   #286 (permalink)
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I swear to god I'd have bounced a fucking club off his head.

I swear to fucking god.

Yes, this is interrogation.
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Old 06-30-2010, 08:08 PM   #287 (permalink)
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yes, false acquisitions.

This guy needs to go away now
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Old 06-30-2010, 08:13 PM   #288 (permalink)
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Here's one example where a police officer actually knows how to communicate with people with respect and patience. He's still doing his job, while not acting like an asshole with a "little dick syndrome".

YouTube - G20 Toronto Gestapo -New world Order police ID check PT 2
Pete.

Dealing with uninformed and ignorant assholes like this kid is extremely difficult.

Now multiply what he's doing by 1000, then add in a few anarchists, then add in some burning cars, then tell me, did the Police do such a bad job last weekend.

the answer is a resounding NO

This is the problem in our City, this ignorant and misinformed sense of entitlement. People like their rights but don't know why they have them, and god forbid you ask people to give a little back for two fucking days out of what?????? Have we EVER had a G20 before??? so two days EVER!

Civil this, i'll give y'all civil, I promise that if you're dying, I will get you medical aid. if not, you can sit there, shut the fuck up, and let me do my job.

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Why did we need a G20 here exactly? And two days? The inconvenience lasted two days? I guess I dreamt about all those other days where fear was drummed up and people that were not looking to get on youtube were hassled and detained for no good reason.

The best part is that I get to be on the same side of the fence as the vidiot, and SJ, in the future, because if you think the dudes who pulled this power trip are going to be happy with "two" days of being on the nice side of the fence, you're out of your mind. They are going to be more than happy to make use of the fence, and maybe add some barbed wire whenever they can find an excuse to do so. It's nice that some of us can be so happy about it though.
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Pete.

Dealing with uninformed and ignorant assholes like this kid is extremely difficult.

Now multiply what he's doing by 1000, then add in a few anarchists, then add in some burning cars, then tell me, did the Police do such a bad job last weekend.

the answer is a resounding NO

This is the problem in our City, this ignorant and misinformed sense of entitlement. People like their rights but don't know why they have them, and god forbid you ask people to give a little back for two fucking days out of what?????? Have we EVER had a G20 before??? so two days EVER!

Civil this, i'll give y'all civil, I promise that if you're dying, I will get you medical aid. if not, you can sit there, shut the fuck up, and let me do my job.

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I understand what you're saying SJ. Believe me, I do.

And by no means am I defending that duchebag who decided to act like an asshole towards the officer. I chose to use that video to show how a police officer SHOULD deal with person such as our "interrogation" victim above.

Dealing with public you'll come across with many different people(personalities), and as a police officer you must know how to properly deal with those people. And yes, that includes dealing with dick suckers like the one in the video.

The police officer did the right thing by staying calm, respectful and under control. He provided sufficient explanation for why he's requiring the identification, while allowing the duchebag to express his point of view. The officer basically chose to use his conflict resolution skills to keep the situation from escalating and under control. At the end, no arrest was made, no one got hurt, the law was enforced properly and the officer did his job.

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Now multiply what he's doing by 1000, then add in a few anarchists, then add in some burning cars, then tell me, did the Police do such a bad job last weekend.
While it makes it easier to enforce the "law", painting everyone with the same brush, based on the actions of few, is not the way to go. As it was alluded in the "Straightd0pe" video, with over 1 billion dollars spent on 'security' - they couldn't stop a handful of hooligans from destroying all of that property?!

And if you ask me if police did a bad job last weekend? - I say, yes they did, simply because they terrorized, arrested and assaulted hundreds of innocent, defenseless and peace minding protesters, journalists/cameramen and bystanders.

I'll say it again, any law enforcement agency or any agency which can deliberately strip you off your freedoms and take you in custody needs to be held to a much higher standard!!!

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This is the problem in our City, this ignorant and misinformed sense of entitlement. People like their rights but don't know why they have them, and god forbid you ask people to give a little back for two fucking days out of what?????? Have we EVER had a G20 before??? so two days EVER!

i wasn't aware that in order to have rights we are required to give them up for select periods of time. good thing we have you, sj, to remind us uninformed and ignorant assholes when we need to shut the fuck up. whew!
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Old 06-30-2010, 09:22 PM   #292 (permalink)
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I understand what you're saying SJ. Believe me, I do.

And by no means am I defending that duchebag who decided to act like an asshole towards the officer. I chose to use that video to show how a police officer SHOULD deal with person such as our "interrogation" victim above.

Dealing with public you'll come across with many different people(personalities), and as a police officer you must know how to properly deal with those people. And yes, that includes dealing with dick suckers like the one in the video.

The police officer did the right thing by staying calm, respectful and under control. He provided sufficient explanation for why he's requiring the identification, while allowing the duchebag to express his point of view. The officer basically chose to use his conflict resolution skills to keep the situation from escalating and under control. At the end, no arrest was made, no one got hurt, the law was enforced properly and the officer did his job.



While it makes it easier to enforce the "law", painting everyone with the same brush, based on the actions of few, is not the way to go. As it was alluded in the "Straightd0pe" video, with over 1 billion dollars spent on 'security' - they couldn't stop a handful of hooligans from destroying all of that property?!

And if you ask me if police did a bad job last weekend? - I say, yes they did, simply because they terrorized, arrested and assaulted hundreds of innocent, defenseless and peace minding protesters, journalists/cameramen and bystanders.

I'll say it again, any law enforcement agency or any agency which can deliberately strip you off your freedoms and take you in custody needs to be held to a much higher standard!!!
I can't help but wonder though Pistol..... what would have happened if the douchenozzle DIDN'T give up his ID?

What if he was adamant about it and resisted arrest?

I'm willing to bet that someone would have filmed the officer taking him down hard and there'd be even MORE fuel against the Toronto Police (even though the officer would have done nothing wrong).
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I can't help but wonder though Pistol..... what would have happened if the douchenozzle DIDN'T give up his ID?

What if he was adamant about it and resisted arrest?

I'm willing to bet that someone would have filmed the officer taking him down hard and there'd be even MORE fuel against the Toronto Police (even though the officer would have done nothing wrong).
If he decided that he was not going to give up his ID then it would be up to the officer's discretion; as to the type of justified actions he'd have to undertake to deal with the situation correctly. The officer could let him go off with a warning (which was highly unlikely at that point as the douchebag was making it more complicated for him self) or simply place him under arrest - under the "new/secret" law that was passed.

If he decided to "take him down" or simply arrest his ass then I'd say that you use all of the necessary and appropriate force to do that.

And I agree that someone could film an incident like that and edit it in such a way where it shows the officer in a 'negative' light. But hey, as long as the officer does his job right (follows the correct procedures), he's got nothing to worry about.

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The thing that really makes me laugh is that douches like that are probably the FIRST ones crying to police when something bad happens to them.
See, I agree that there might be some truth in that statement. Some of the protesters were definitely more obnoxious than others. Absolutely. Some took their obnoxious behaviour to extremes, although others just sang "oh Canada" or walked around passively and chanted the occasional slogan. There was a spectrum, yet unfortunately they were treated similarly in some cases. And some of the most obnoxious protesters may well have been the most eager to seek out police in other threatening scenarios. Definitely possible.

On a related note, when people say it's "no big deal" when the police enter your home without a warrant and point a gun in your face, I think those same people might bitch louder than anyone else would if it happened to them in their respective homes.

It works both ways.
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I've read each and every post but I've got to say I agree whole heartedly with Trane.
If you can't handle the stress and power don't be a cop.
And I've had my fair share of run ins with Police officers.
A while back there was some graffiti in my neighbourhood that said "Fuck Cops" & "Pigs Must Die".
While I was walking to a friends house, I'm stopped and interrogated by 5-6 officers. And frisked...I was 13 at the time wearing flip flops, shorts and a wifebeater,I was treated as if I was the suspect. I don't see why I was stopped and had I known at the time I didn't have to answer I would've been well on my way to my friends house....I'm sorry I just don't trust cops.
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i very much do trust cops. that's precisely why this is so troubling for me.
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Here's one example where a police officer actually knows how to communicate with people with respect and patience. He's still doing his job, while not acting like an asshole with a "little dick syndrome".

YouTube - G20 Toronto Gestapo -New world Order police ID check PT 2
i wonder if this fucker was down there today, trolling for cops to harass? i wonder if he'll be there tomorrow. prolly not, right? no good youtube opportunities to be had.
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i wonder if this fucker was down there today, trolling for cops to harass? i wonder if he'll be there tomorrow. prolly not, right? no good youtube opportunities to be had.
and no police asking for id's either.
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and no police asking for id's either.
they can't if it's not a Public Works space anymore.
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