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Old 06-29-2010, 11:37 AM   #201 (permalink)
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Old 06-29-2010, 12:05 PM   #202 (permalink)
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give me a break. i should be arrested at every raps game then.
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Old 06-29-2010, 12:10 PM   #203 (permalink)
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give me a break. i should be arrested at every raps game then.
you could be, if a cop wants to. it happens all the time... it's quite the "catch-all crime".

so, maybe the loss of civil liberty you are concerned about really isn't restricted to the G20 situation.
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Old 06-29-2010, 12:28 PM   #204 (permalink)
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TheSpec.com - News - McGuinty won?t say why cabinet passed law in secret to give police more powers

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TORONTO — There was lots of second-guessing of police actions Monday following violent G20 protests, but some of the debate focused on moves by the Ontario cabinet that critics said suspended civil liberties in Toronto and kept the new law secret.


Opposition parties and civil libertarians were outraged the Liberal cabinet gave police extra powers to question, search and detain people near the G20 fences, and then failed to inform the public until it was too late to mount a court challenge.


“The secret law was inappropriate (and) the use of mass arrests as a tool to eradicate or find 50 to 100 looters is not appropriate,” said Nathalie Des Rosiers of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association.


“It’s unconstitutional.”


Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty has so far refused to explain why his cabinet felt it had to pass the law in secret and keep it secret.


The decision to update the 70-year-old Public Works Protection Act for the first time ever — extending rules that normally govern court houses to portions of downtown Toronto — was done because of a special request from police, McGuinty said last week
However, the premier still hasn’t said why the decision was taken in secret by a cabinet committee without any debate in the legislature, which was sitting at the time.


The Opposition said it understood the need for police to have resources to deal with “thugs” intent on committing violence during the G20, but also wondered why the law hadn’t been made public.


“I’d have a lot more respect for Premier McGuinty if he had the courage to let the public know that the law had changed,” said Progressive Conservative Leader Tim Hudak.


“To keep that secret in a cabinet discussion and not discuss it in the legislature, was slippery and cowardly.”


Toronto Mayor David Miller expressed his frustration on the weekend that the province had not made the new law public.


Instead, the premier’s office on Monday referred reporters to a newspaper ad with the headline: What you need to know about the G20 summit.


While the ad talks about restrictions to people who want to enter the secured summit area, it makes no mention of the special powers given to police to arrest people during the G20 week.


The government said Monday that the law was “not about police powers but about property,” and merely extended the Public Works Protection Act to specific areas within the G20 security zone.


Reports of expanded police powers to arrest and detain became public knowledge Friday — weeks after the Cabinet quietly passed the regulatory change — after a protester was arrested outside the security zone.


Throughout the weekend there were reports of police stopping people throughout downtown Toronto — often in areas nowhere near the G20 fences — demanding identification and to search bags and backpacks.


The Civil Liberties Association said the secret law played a factor when police decided to make mass arrests after cars were set on fire and windows smashed during Saturday’s G20 protests.


“I think it was one of the aspects (driving police behaviour),” said Des Rosiers.

“They got frustrated and angry when some of the looting and destruction was taking place and the message was they had to catch these 50 or so Black Bloc kids and they forgot about everything else.”
Amnesty International also expressed concerns about a “curtailment of civil liberties” and demanded the federal and Ontario governments co-operate in launching an independent review of the security measures put in place for the G8 and G20 summits.

There was lots of second-guessing of police actions Monday following the sometimes violent G20 protests on the weekend, but some of the debate focused on moves by the Ontario cabinet that critics say suspended civil liberties in Toronto and kept the new law secret.

Opposition parties and civil libertarians were outraged the Liberal cabinet gave police extra powers to question, search and detain people near the G20 fences, and then failed to inform the public until it was too late to mount a court challenge.

“The secret law was inappropriate (and) the use of mass arrests as a tool to eradicate or find 50 to 100 looters is not appropriate,” said Nathalie Des Rosiers of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association.

“It’s unconstitutional.”
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Old 06-29-2010, 01:34 PM   #205 (permalink)
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yes, absolutely. for a police officer to arrest a citizen, they should know exactly who that person is and what they did that was against the law. without question. otherwise, what is to stop them from stopping anyone, anywhere and detaining them without cause? this is a basic principle of law in a free society.

swearing is not a criminal offence. neither is gesticulating wildly.
Are we talking about everyday daily life here?

Or are we talking about a select few days when people were warned against being in a designated area and chose to ignore those warnings?

I don't think that it's nearly as black & white an issue as you're making it.
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Old 06-29-2010, 01:43 PM   #206 (permalink)
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So I have a question for everyone who saying the Police have the right to arrest you if you look a certain way..

Is this alright?

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Old 06-29-2010, 02:13 PM   #207 (permalink)
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So I have a question for everyone who saying the Police have the right to arrest you if you look a certain way..

Is this alright?

Video: Caught Slippin: Protester Gets Snatched & Arrested In A Heartbeat!
THAT IS DISGUSTING!

It was like he was getting snatched up by the Gestapo.......Horrible horrible horrible.

They literally arrested him for protesting. That is a violation of his rights. I would love to see as many of these things as possible on video. I hope he sues and wins because they had no right to touch him or arrest him. Police power out of control.

I don't care if they wanted to protect these leaders, I don't care! Have the summit somewhere else if it means trampling on the freedoms of my fellow citizens.
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Old 06-29-2010, 02:13 PM   #208 (permalink)
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Are we talking about everyday daily life here?

Or are we talking about a select few days when people were warned against being in a designated area and chose to ignore those warnings?

I don't think that it's nearly as black & white an issue as you're making it.
it absolutely is the same as every day life. black and white. you don't get to suspend the constitution when it suits you.
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Old 06-29-2010, 02:57 PM   #209 (permalink)
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So Bill Blair trotted out a display of weapons today, the worst of which seemed to be some fire sticks. Oh and there was the crossbow and chainsaw garnered from some guy on the Esplanade last week, which the police said was not related to G-20 security. When asked if it was in fact the same items, Blair said it was and thanked him for making sure that got clarified.

Now I like Bill Blair, and from what I saw the RCMP and the OPP were the most heavy-handed, and we've seen lazy, bad police work from both of those organisations in the past. But now here's Blair not knowing what was collected and when until a reporter points it out to him? Or was he just trying to get away with something there?

He went on to describe the problem as being one to combat terrorists, while praising his officers for bravely standing up to the worst criminal elements. Did I miss something, or is this dude getting things thrown out of proportion as much as some of the knobs who thought breaking a starbucks window was a means of fighting zionism?

At least he made a point of stating that he was accountable to the civilians of Toronto, and would report to his civilian board. The problem is that these guys have no problem fudging the facts, like with the chainsaw, to cover their asses. They look to new technologies as a means to intimidate and subjugate before actually doing good police work, and then they change the facts afterwards to make out as though there was no option to ever do good police work. Terrorists!!!!! 911!!!!

In many ways these guys were in a no-win situation. But Fuck.
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Old 06-29-2010, 11:05 PM   #210 (permalink)
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Was this secret law changed for the G20, to be changed back right afterwards??

Or did they use the G20 as a guise to change this law for the foreseeable future??
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It is worth it to spend 12 minutes listening to this interview.




This incident appears to be similar to the scenarios Paikin describes:


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Old 06-30-2010, 02:44 AM   #212 (permalink)
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i won't deny some acts of police brutality over the weekend, but this guy stinks of phony.
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i won't deny some acts of police brutality over the weekend, but this guy stinks of phony.
Paikin a phony? That's hillarious. I wonder how much you even know about him or his career?

CTV journalists were detained, which is consistent with parts of Paikin's story about the Guardian journalist. I really can't see why he'd lie about the journalist getting a beat down, especially considering they treated the CTV's journlist like shit, and he was a known Canadian producer.

Brutality aside, just the fact that they are detaining known journalists is pathetic. Oh, yeah, the CTV producer with a press pass is a real security threat. "Get 'em boys!"

Awesome.
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Old 06-30-2010, 04:55 AM   #214 (permalink)
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TO Police, OPP and RCMP really fucked up this time.

As someone who is just finishing his post secondary education in Criminal Justice (with the intention of going into law enforcement), this is really disturbing. I know a lot of SCUM gets inside a police force and become the "authority" where they get to re-enact their childhood duchebag tendencies (being a HUGE ASSHOLE) - but I never get use to seeing something like this.

O.P.P. :facepalm: - One of the worst law enforcement agencies in our country. Simply a joke.
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Old 06-30-2010, 08:49 AM   #216 (permalink)
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After watching all of these police videos. I was just thinking in my head about how all these protesters will just increase the cost of security the next time G20 comes to Canada. Welfare addicts with nothing better to do, students who could be studying their tuitions worth instead, and other stuff. The great thing is that they aren't able to disrupt, slow-down or stop the G20 meetings at all. Business at usual with the exception that the tax-payer will be cleaning up the mess.

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Old 06-30-2010, 09:35 AM   #218 (permalink)
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Does this address government controlled healthcare too?
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you guys kill me.

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Old 06-30-2010, 10:45 AM   #220 (permalink)
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Paikin a phony? That's hillarious. I wonder how much you even know about him or his career?

CTV journalists were detained, which is consistent with parts of Paikin's story about the Guardian journalist. I really can't see why he'd lie about the journalist getting a beat down, especially considering they treated the CTV's journlist like shit, and he was a known Canadian producer.

Brutality aside, just the fact that they are detaining known journalists is pathetic. Oh, yeah, the CTV producer with a press pass is a real security threat. "Get 'em boys!"

Awesome.
i know nothing of him. his story just sounds elaborated and falsified. call it a sixth sense, but he was using other peoples stories.
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