The Dunning-Kruger effect
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Old 10-31-2009, 03:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Could you post a more relevant video with regards to a Toronto Raptors internet forum, I think not.
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Old 10-31-2009, 05:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Could you post a more relevant video with regards to a Toronto Raptors internet forum, I think not.
Are you saying that because you actually watched the video? Or is your comment based on the title? I was inspired to post this video after reading some of the debates in the podium threads.
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The Dunning-Kruger effect is an important one in skepticism and, on a slightly related tangent, magic. We find over and over again that the most brilliant thinkers often get tricked because they believe they are too clever to get tricked, or are operating outside of their field of specialty.
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The Dunning-Kruger effect is an important one in skepticism and, on a slightly related tangent, magic. We find over and over again that the most brilliant thinkers often get tricked because they believe they are too clever to get tricked, or are operating outside of their field of specialty.
Well, I think everyone can fall victim to the Dunning-Kruger effect because nobody is an expert in everything. The problem is, some people fall victim to it more often than others, since lacking critical thinking skills can lead to repeated poor decisions over and over again. That was my primary motivation for posting the video.

I read several of the threads in the podium section and noticed that a lot people were saying some weird stuff about topics they clearly had no understanding of. In some cases, they probably genuinely thought they had an understanding of the topic. But they either used very poor sources of information in order to formulate their arguments, or their arguments were simply illogical. Thus, when it came to understanding and debating the topic, they were "unskilled and unaware of it", just like the people in the Dunning-Kruger study. Even worse, they are spreading false information, which I find very, very annoying.

As for your anecdote about "brilliant thinkers" being tricked by magic, did you read that somewhere? Or are you stating an opinion? I totally agree that people who are experts in one field can make huge mistakes when delving into another field. For example, you can find people with MBAs and Law degrees who deny evolution. Those people are smart enough to become CEOs of companies and pass a bar exam, but they lack the scientific literacy to understand how evolution works and why it is a scientific fact. The bottom line is, you have to develop some competence in a particular field before you can accurately assess information related to that field.

To be honest, overall, I think intelligence is tough to quantify and pin down. I think intelligence is made of a wide range of skills. Some people have more skills than others, and not all people considered to be intelligent have exactly the same skills. That's why someone can seem really intelligent one moment, but appear to be a total dumbass the next. Genetics and environment (education and experiences) both play a role in determing a person's potential to acquire certain skills, such as command of a given language, logical reasoning, scientific literacy, critical thinking, reading comprehension....etc...etc..etc.. The sad thing is, some people try to obtain and develop certain skills, and think they have them, even though they really don't.
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The thing about smart people getting tricked by magic is anecdotal from several skeptics who are also magicians, people like Jamy Ian Swiss, Penn Jillette, James Randi.
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Are you saying that because you actually watched the video? Or is your comment based on the title?
Does it matter?

I did watch the video.

And for the record, I'm not talking about anything said in the podium, I'm talking about the basketball discussions.

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Is this in response to someone who talked about the "cancer virus" in the H1N1 thread without realizing that cancer isn't a virus and also hoping that no one else on the forum would know that it's not a virus either?
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Does it matter?

I did watch the video.
I was curious, and that's all.The title of the video alone might have been sufficient information for somebody to joke about how it was approriate for a message board.
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The thing about smart people getting tricked by magic is anecdotal from several skeptics who are also magicians, people like Jamy Ian Swiss, Penn Jillette, James Randi.
Ah, I see. I've actually watched a few videos about James Randi busting con-artists.
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Is this in response to someone who talked about the "cancer virus" in the H1N1 thread without realizing that cancer isn't a virus and also hoping that no one else on the forum would know that it's not a virus either?
I didn't plan on posting this video in response to any particular user or statement. Several claims in the H1N1 thread are completely ridiculous, so you can take your pick.
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Is this in response to someone who talked about the "cancer virus" in the H1N1 thread without realizing that cancer isn't a virus and also hoping that no one else on the forum would know that it's not a virus either?


An oncovirus is a virus that can cause cancer. This term originated from studies of acutely-transforming retroviruses in the 1950–60s, often called oncornaviruses to denote their RNA virus origin. It now refers to any virus with a DNA or RNA genome causing cancer and is synonymous with "tumor virus" or "cancer virus"...

Baxters vaccines have had S40 Virus in them... this is proven oncovirus which is synonymous with "cancer virus" as stated in the above...

Has nothing to do with believing Cancer is an actual virus. To believe someone could be that stupid is stupid in itself.

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Can you provide a source for the s40 virus, and for its inclusion in the vaccines?
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I typed "swine" infront of vaccine.. I since edited it.

Sv40 virus is not a listed ingredient in any vaccines.. However it was included in the polio vaccine that Baxter administered, not as a listed ingredient.... These were still approved by the FDA and as a result millions contracted the virus..

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baxters swine vaccines are again being cultured in diseased african green monkey kidney cells. The same place it was cultured for polio vaccines when they were contamined with the simian virus FROM those cells.

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Another case from baxter...
A couple years ago it was discovered that a vaccine for hemophiliacs that Baxter and Bayer were selling in the United States was contaminated with HIV. They pulled the vaccines off the market in the united states.. then went and sold them to consumers in Japan, France, Spain and other countries, where hemophiliacs there then contracted HIV.

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Baxter was also responsible for the very well known Vaccine scandal where Bird Flu Virus was found in a general Flu Vaccine... after being administered.. This could have easily led to a hybrid strand of h3n2/h5n1 .. which inevitably has "spontaneously" happened with the Swine Flu virus.. except three other strands of influenza were found in it as well.... not trying to say this didn't happen naturally though..

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