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INSIDER 04-29-2013 09:27 AM

Don Cherry: ‘I don’t believe women should be in the male dressing room’
 
over the weekend, Don Cherry remarked ‘I don’t believe women should be in the male dressing room’ ....

this has been getting a lot of attention since, with people weighing in on his stance...

what do you guys think?

INSIDER 04-29-2013 09:33 AM

I wanted to post my opinion seperate from the initial post so as to not create any bias, but this is one time i agree with Don Cherry.
this is a man's dressing room, where men are showering, naked, dressing.
would it be ok for a male reporter to be in the woman's locker room? they would never let that happen. so why is it ok for a woman to be in a men's locker room?

jeffb 04-29-2013 09:45 AM

Wasn't this an issue 20yrs ago?

And isn't the media held out of the dressing room until the players are dressed. I don't see what the big deal is. I think grapes needs to retire.

INSIDER 04-29-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 784897)
Wasn't this an issue 20yrs ago?

And isn't the media held out of the dressing room until the players are dressed. I don't see what the big deal is. I think grapes needs to retire.

this was an issue over the weekend as a female reporter was in the blackhawks change room after their game.

jeffb 04-29-2013 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by INSIDER (Post 784903)
this was an issue over the weekend as a female reporter was in the blackhawks change room after their game.

And? That was a big thing?

Superjudge 04-29-2013 10:22 AM

Well you knew this was gonna draw fire. But, he's right and here's why. Men will never be allowed in women's dressing rooms. There is a reason for it, it's private. People are naked, and getting g treatment etc. Of course there are designated shower areas, but that's ridiculous as people will always stray from those.

There is a team comradery that I believe is real, and should be both protected and preserved for all teams, mens or women's. Why do the press even need to be in the room at all???? They don't need to be. They have a press conference after every game, there is more than enough time to get what they need there. The solution is simple, no press in the dressing rooms, period, problem solved.
:kadri:

Shadowfax 04-29-2013 10:26 AM

Don Cherry is an idiot who is stuck in the 1970's...nothing more than a parody of himself these days...imho, 90% of what he says about hockey is completely irrelevant
that being said...there IS a simple solution...NO reporters in the dressing room...set up a post game room for interviews

jeffb 04-29-2013 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowfax (Post 784907)
Don Cherry is an idiot who is stuck in the 1970's...nothing more than a parody of himself these days...imho, 90% of what he says about hockey is completely irrelevant
that being said...there IS a simple solution...NO reporters in the dressing room...set up a post game room for interviews


This I can agreee with.

INSIDER 04-29-2013 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 784904)
And? That was a big thing?

please do not reply in this thread anymore.

jeffb 04-29-2013 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by INSIDER (Post 784909)
please do not reply in this thread anymore.


Why? I'm asking you what happened that made it such a big deal. Is it that hard? What made this an issue in Chicago?

'trane 04-29-2013 10:37 AM

don cherry is a dinosaur, and he is so far off base with this that i don't even know what to say. he doesn't think men and women and equal, but rather that women are superior and should be put on a pedestal and protected from terrible men who might show them their nakedness! my oh my, how awfully paternalistic. what a tremendous douche.

'trane 04-29-2013 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 784906)
Well you knew this was gonna draw fire. But, he's right and here's why. ...

The solution is simple, no press in the dressing rooms, period, problem solved.
:kadri:

that's not what he was saying. and he's definitely not right.

jeffb 04-29-2013 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 784912)
don cherry is a dinosaur, and he is so far off base with this that i don't even know what to say. he doesn't think men and women and equal, but rather that women are superior and should be put on a pedestal and protected from terrible men who might show them their nakedness! my oh my, how awfully paternalistic. what a tremendous douche.

Agreed, but this isn't surprising coming from him. What was McClean's response, he's level headed.

INSIDER 04-29-2013 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 784912)
don cherry is a dinosaur, and he is so far off base with this that i don't even know what to say. he doesn't think men and women and equal, but rather that women are superior and should be put on a pedestal and protected from terrible men who might show them their nakedness! my oh my, how awfully paternalistic. what a tremendous douche.

so you believe women should be allowed in the men's change room after a game?
which means its ok for a man to be in a woman's change room? i'd like to see that ever happen.

Superjudge 04-29-2013 10:44 AM

Don Cherry, amid all the white noise of his old school BS, is still the only guy on TV who consistently seems to come up with the right answers on a shit load of topics. We love to hate him, he is xenophobic we say, he is racist, he is sexist. And if we say all these things, we are right.

People hate his constant yapping about the troops and his out dated ideologies and I can't say I disagree. Thanks however does not change two things. First, he is as old as fuck, he lived in those old eras, he played when the sport was being built, and saw a world war. Like it or not, guys like him fought in those wars, guys like that built our nation. So it's there that I ask people to give a guy a bit of room. There is always a perfectly PC ron maclean there to protect us. Second, he knows more about this game and how it works than 80 percent of the monkeys on TV. People don't like the delivery, but on many occasions he is bang on. From fighting, to concussions, to injuries and the way the game is officiated, he consistently, after the dust settles, is the guy you can look back and say "shit, i guess cherry was right".

I don't really like the man. But i respect where he comes from, I recognise his level of Hockey knowledge, and I know he will be missed when he is gone.

'trane 04-29-2013 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by INSIDER (Post 784916)
so you believe women should be allowed in the men's change room after a game?
which means its ok for a man to be in a woman's change room? i'd like to see that ever happen.

i don't think any press should be in the locker room. but the issue is bigger than that. this is not about gender. what about strongly religious people? gay men? gay women? what about children of the athletes? why is anyone in the locker room who is not oart of the team?

as i said, it's so hopelessly paternalistic. the idea that these gentle flowers called women must be protected makes me sick to my stomach. they are grownups. they can deal with it, and so can the men. people need to be way less puritanical about this stuff.

this isn't about gender. slicing and dicing access based on cocks or cunts is just so silly. give access or don't.

'trane 04-29-2013 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 784917)
Don Cherry, amid all the white noise of his old school BS, is still the only guy on TV who consistently seems to come up with the right answers on a shit load of topics. We love to hate him, he is xenophobic we say, he is racist, he is sexist. And if we say all these things, we are right.

People hate his constant yapping about the troops and his out dated ideologies and I can't say I disagree. Thanks however does not change two things. First, he is as old as fuck, he lived in those old eras, he played when the sport was being built, and saw a world war. Like it or not, guys like him fought in those wars, guys like that built our nation. So it's there that I ask people to give a guy a bit of room. There is always a perfectly PC ron maclean there to protect us. Second, he knows more about this game and how it works than 80 percent of the monkeys on TV. People don't like the delivery, but on many occasions he is bang on. From fighting, to concussions, to injuries and the way the game is officiated, he consistently, after the dust settles, is the guy you can look back and say "shit, i guess cherry was right".

I don't really like the man. But i respect where he comes from, I recognise his level of Hockey knowledge, and I know he will be missed when he is gone.

if he stuck to hockey, i'd have no problem with him. but he uses coach's corner as a pulpit, and it makes me sick.

Superjudge 04-29-2013 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 784914)
that's not what he was saying. and he's definitely not right.

I don't need you to tell me what was said, or if it was right. I know what he said, and the part about women in dressing rooms was right. If you cannot strip the other crap away, thats your thing, we both know you love that he mad ethereal outrageous pedestal comments, it allows you to get on your box and level him with your elite morality, as if that's even remotely difficult to do. So relax your engines, this isn't what Insiders thread asked. It asks, if after that event happened, if we agree about women in dressing rooms.

You think its ok, fine, Kadri is Muslim, maybe he disagrees. Men won't ever enter women's rooms, so really, removing the debate is simple, and the way to go.

So, are you really contribution g to the discussion, or are you just here to stomp on Don Cherry. I'd respect it more if you'd just admit what it is, because you might find little resistance.

bjjs 04-29-2013 10:57 AM

FYI - Male Reporters are allowed into the dressing rooms after WNBA games (the only female league that gets any significant media attention in North America) - so I've been led to believe by somebody writing in the Globe & Mail.

Superjudge 04-29-2013 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 784921)
if he stuck to hockey, i'd have no problem with him. but he uses coach's corner as a pulpit, and it makes me sick.

Fair. But we're discussing reporters in dressing rooms man. I don't disagree, i only just understand why he is the way he is, and why that likely won't change. I promise. I hear what you're saying, he isn't a good guy in many ways.

Superjudge 04-29-2013 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjjs (Post 784926)
FYI - Male Reporters are allowed into the dressing rooms after WNBA games (the only female league that gets any significant media attention in North America) - so I've been led to believe by somebody writing in the Globe & Mail.

Well they can use media rooms there too. Its about removing risk, period. You aren't solving the planets social and moral short comings in the change rooms of pro sports, so remove the potential if it bothers everyone so much when something is said. Or, suck it up, and admit the potential was always there for a player, or for a reporter, to offend someone.

Superjudge 04-29-2013 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 784919)
i don't think any press should be in the locker room. but the issue is bigger than that. this is not about gender. what about strongly religious people? gay men? gay women? what about children of the athletes? why is anyone in the locker room who is not oart of the team?

as i said, it's so hopelessly paternalistic. the idea that these gentle flowers called women must be protected makes me sick to my stomach. they are grownups. they can deal with it, and so can the men. people need to be way less puritanical about this stuff.

this isn't about gender. slicing and dicing access based on cocks or cunts is just so silly. give access or don't.

I like this. This... I like. :)

bjjs 04-29-2013 11:04 AM

Men in WNBA locker rooms? D.C. Sports Bog- Dan Steinberg-

Apparently NCAA tournament as well; male reporters are allowed in.

There are controll processes involved. "Designated times" etc. The blog points to the fact that it's the choice of players whether they want to be buck naked in front of the media.

Superjudge 04-29-2013 11:09 AM

It is Bjjs, and I kinda already thought this but wasn't sure about the women's side. Its not really important to me, the men/women thing. For me it's the fact you have people I a place that you feel should be private for more than just nakedness. If the potential for conflict is removed... No conflict. Have a designated media area for players as they leave, as well as the already existing press conference. I think athletes should be left the fuck alone after their games while they unwind and get ready to go.

bjjs 04-29-2013 11:09 AM

It's part of a routine - in 30 minutes the doors are open to the media. So if you're shy - clean your junk and get your clothes on before they come in.

This is actually a non-issue - which is why the focus of this is Don Cherry, not the female reporter or the Chicago Blackhawks.

The players want to get the hell out of there to go unwind away from the arena. Which is probably why they allow the press into the dressing room so that they aren't trailing the players out into the parking lot.

Superjudge 04-29-2013 11:13 AM

Fair enough.

jeffb 04-29-2013 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjjs (Post 784932)
It's part of a routine - in 30 minutes the doors are open to the media. So if you're shy - clean your junk and get your clothes on before they come in.

This is actually a non-issue - which is why the focus of this is Don Cherry, not the female reporter or the Chicago Blackhawks.

The players want to get the hell out of there to go unwind away from the arena. Which is probably why they allow the press into the dressing room so that they aren't trailing the players out into the parking lot.

I agree. I thought the team was given time after games and the media is only allowed in once told the players are available. It's not as if as soon as the game is over the media gets to watch them shower.

Superjudge 04-29-2013 11:19 AM

I would become a women's beach volleyball reporter if that were the case

Superjudge 04-29-2013 11:20 AM

Ps. Jeff, i do not support your avatar

:kadri:

jeffb 04-29-2013 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 784938)
Ps. Jeff, i do not support your avatar

:kadri:

I didn't think you would. :)

Superjudge 04-29-2013 11:25 AM

You sir, are no gentleman!!

jeffb 04-29-2013 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 784942)
You sir, are no gentleman!!


And you sir are no comedian.

Claudius 04-29-2013 11:34 AM

Cathal Kelly somewhat captures my sentiments. If you haven't read it, read it.

Duncan Keith’s dismissal of female sports reporter after Blackhawks loss to Canucks actually shows equality in locker rooms: Kelly | Toronto Star

Superjudge 04-29-2013 12:08 PM

I agree with athletes that call out reporters for dumb questions, ain't like reporters dont have carte blanche to do the same to them, and they do.

So who was it that started the whole sexist debate anyhow? Clearly it was an issue in the media before Saturdays game. So let's forget cherry reaction... Who brought it to this end I the first place?

LX 04-29-2013 02:42 PM

The only real issue is that women have every right to pursue a career as a sports reporter, and not being allowed to do so in locker rooms would put them at a disadvantage. If men were not allowed to enter the locker rooms of women athletes, it would not negatively impact their career. Look at the sports coverage out there. I imagine that teams in any women's league would welcome male reporters if it came along with the kind of coverage that male teams get. Instead we get a big deal being made of a soccer player lifting her jersey to reveal a sports bra when one of the biggest moments in that sport happens. Woman is the nigger of the world. John Lennon was correct. And Don Cherry is happy to assert the privilege he was born with, like a gold plated shit-gibbon, for as long as he has air to fill his foul lungs.

Superjudge 04-29-2013 02:46 PM

Oh, I think you are misreading me, I don't want ANY reporters in the room.

Superjudge 04-29-2013 02:46 PM

Ps. Sweet lanny photo!

LX 04-29-2013 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 784997)
Oh, I think you are misreading me, I don't want ANY reporters in the room.

I was responding to the issue as a whole as Cherry was trying to define it. No reporters in there would be fine. I don't think Cherry was coming from that kind of a position though.

Superjudge 04-29-2013 05:59 PM

Well, cherry looks through 1955 glasses.

jeffb 04-29-2013 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 785044)
Well, cherry looks through 1955 glasses.

At best


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