Does canada's science minister believe in evolution?
Old 03-17-2009, 01:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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globeandmail.com: Minister won't confirm belief in evolution

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“I'm not going to answer that question. I am a Christian, and I don't think anybody asking a question about my religion is appropriate,” Gary Goodyear, the federal Minister of State for Science and Technology, said in an interview with The Globe and Mail.
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Evolution is a scientific fact, Dr. Alters said, and the foundation of modern biology, genetics and paleontology. It is taught at universities and accepted by many of the world's major religions, he said.

“It is the same as asking the gentleman, ‘Do you believe the world is flat?' and he doesn't answer on religious grounds,” said Dr. Alters. “Or gravity, or plate tectonics, or that the Earth goes around the sun.”
anyone concerned about this? does this have anything to do with his religious rights?

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good on him answering. he's a religious man, asking him something like that is basically trapping him into the evolution-religious debate. i honestly doubt that his evolution beliefs has any reflection on how well he does his job.

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really funk? our minister of science doesn't believe in what is generally accepted as scientific fact and this is no big deal? to me it has nothing to do with his religion and everything to do with the kind of relationship he would have with the research community. that answer was totally evasive. believe in evolution or not, in his position he should be expected to tell us where he stands.
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good on him answering. he's a religious man, asking him something like that is basically trapping him into the evolution-religious debate. i honestly doubt that his evolution beliefs has any reflection on how well he does his job.
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really funk? our minister of science doesn't believe in what is generally accepted as scientific fact and this is no big deal? to me it has nothing to do with his religion and everything to do with the kind of relationship he would have with the research community. that answer was totally evasive. believe in evolution or not, in his position he should be expected to tell us where he stands.
being that he is the minister of science shows that he's a respectable member within the science community. i honestly don't think he should have to answer that question. it's his research and reputation that has him in that position, not his personal religious beliefs. as i said before, good on him. he doesn't need to compromise his relationship with his family, church or god to satisfy questions with motives against the church.
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and in gary goodyear?
Maybe not but tbh I don't really know a lot about the guy so I don't know everything he's accomplished but the inability to accept something like evolution which is seen as fact by many in the scientific world is a little strange imo
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If he stands with a group of people that preach about Jesus not being a monkey then it's a problem. I understand how it's a loaded question that he maybe shouldn't have to answer, but I've seen so much spreading of ignorance from the non-believers of evolution that goes way beyond mere personal religious beliefs. If he can't stand up to that then he will likely be lacking in his job performance.
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being that he is the minister of science shows that he's a respectable member within the science community. i honestly don't think he should have to answer that question. it's his research and reputation that has him in that position, not his personal religious beliefs. as i said before, good on him. he doesn't need to compromise his relationship with his family, church or god to satisfy questions with motives against the church.
he's a chiropractor with a background in automotive repair with a few courses in science sprinkled in there so he could get into waterloo.

all his position shows is that the conservative gov't thought he would be a marketable figure in that role. given the scientific community's reaction to this, i'm pretty suire he's not seen as a respectable member within the science community, which is exactly what that article is about.

and motives against the church? this is the globe and mail, and the article is about science and government, not about religion.

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Old 03-17-2009, 03:45 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I would fire him and the fool who put him to be Canadian science minister.

Religious morons should not be in charge of anything little less science... just imagine professor of physics as a Pope... I am sure Catholics would be pissed like Hell... hehehe... Hell...
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WOW, this guy is at this position and doesn't believe evolution. Canada is better of putting me as the Minister of Science
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Old 03-17-2009, 05:27 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I don't see the relivence, are we suggesting that no scientists are Christians? That a mans "faith" can't confilict with his actions. I'm sure most are all for priests performing gay marriges, why are we not in an uproar about that conflict.

The man could very well be a father, and doesn't want his kids to hear him say "god did not create the world" as he plans on raising them under the teachings of the church.

Pretty harsh to drag the guy over the coals if you ask me.
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Old 03-17-2009, 05:36 PM   #14 (permalink)
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only fair to give the nat posts reaction:

Jonathan Kay on The Globe & Mail's appalling front-page smear on religion - Full Comment

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In general, I try not to get too animated by what runs in other newspapers. On slow news days, all editors — including those at this newspaper — occasionally feel obligated to get readers riled up about not-so-exciting b-rate news events. But this particular Globe story is a disgrace. There is an air of witch-hunt about it. What other public figures will the Globe "out" as suspected Godly followers, one wonders? (Will McIlroy be crossing the country, asking provincial health ministers whether they believe in the virgin birth?) The clear implication is that service in the federal Cabinet is a privilege open only to that minority of Canadians who subscribe rigidly to the tenets of atheism.
of course mr kay doesn't seem to realize that no one is saying that mr goodyear can't hold a leadership position in canadian politics, just that he shouldn't hold the purse strings on a portfolio in which he may have a fundamental conflict of interest.

definitely a slow news day, and definitely harsh to draw him over the coals, but there is certainly, imo, a role for journalists to question political appointees and to dig into potential philosophical conflicts within the leaders of our government.
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Globe is correct and Post isn't... simple as that... further more, Post is not even a real newspaper... they lost all credibility when they started to print comments from a criminal who is in prison as they are gospel.

No religious monkey should be in charge of Canadian science ministry... Gary Goodyear is a moron and should not be in a position he is in.

This is insulting to all that care for science in this country... as I stated before, imagine if science community somehow forces Vatican to install professor of physics as Pope how pissed Catholics would be.
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while that's a much more extreme position than i'm taking, ivan, and while i would never call a religious person a monkey for believing what they believe, i can no doubt agree with you on the view of the nat post...
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Globe is correct and Post isn't... simple as that... further more, Post is not even a real newspaper... they lost all credibility when they started to print comments from a criminal who is in prison as they are gospel.

No religious monkey should be in charge of Canadian science ministry... Gary Goodyear is a moron and should not be in a position he is in.

This is insulting to all that care for science in this country... as I stated before, imagine if science community somehow forces Vatican to install professor of physics as Pope how pissed Catholics would be.
I don't even know where to begin with this dribble. "religious monkey"? because he refused to comment on his beliefs? Your blanket statements and anti-religious sentament are insulting to everyone with a brain. Fact of the matter is , we have no idea what he thinks, or if he is good at his job. Hell I'm willing to wager none of us know what exactly his job is before looking it up.

Do our health ministers HAVE to be pro-life or choice? smarten up.
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Am I way out in left field for thinking that there was a time when a person could be educated and a person of faith without contradiction? It's the religious right that has pushed the idea that ignorance needs to be spread in the name of what they consider their faith, but what is really just political expediency.

If this guy wants to refute common knowledge, or what is held to be a reliable means of attaining knowledge, then I don't think he is well suited as any kind of a leader. Frankly I find it important to be represented by an educated person that does not lend himself to extreme positions. There is no "faith" that would automatically disallow him to support the idea of evolution. But not supporting the idea of evolution, for personal religious reasons, would lead him to twist and distort the very idea of science to the point of ridiculousness. I don't need to know any more about him than that. That would make him very shitty at his job.
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Imagine if Pope refused to answer is he a Christian or not or does he believe in God or not.

No person who believes in woo-woo should be in charge of science in this or any other country.
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come on ivan, you're treading a pretty fine line here, and you're losing credibility word by word. debate all you want about religion in public life or in cabinet, but let's not start insulting anyone who has faith by referring to their beliefs in derisive ways.
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