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Old 07-13-2012, 02:29 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I think the continued success of Ricky Gervais illustrates that political correctness is not a problem. And nobody, not even comedians can say whatever they want. There are limits to free speech for everyone. Is Tosh being censored, or are people just deciding for themselves that he failed miserably with his "joke". If his career is over because of this then I would find that unfortunate, though not terribly so. If his career rests in the balance and is allowed to continue simply because as a comedian he can say whatever he wants, then I would suggest a better criteria would be some success at being funny. And if he has an audience that finds a joke like that funny, then that would be the real issue for me, and not out of political correctness. People laughed when Jackie Gleason threatened Alice with physical violence. That said more about the culture than it did about Jackie Gleason.
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:43 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I can dig that..personally I don't like him much, he seems like a dickish smart ass.
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:24 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Seriously, ricky gervais' latest special has a thousand pedophile jokes are ten times worse.

Dave Chapelle on Michael Jackson. "So he invites him to his house, takes him to the zoo, gives the kid wine, blows him, that sounds like a great host! what is he complaining about!"
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I heard Chapelle's voice while I read that...I lol'd
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It starts to escalate around the 3 minute mark.


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Old 07-13-2012, 07:58 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I heard Chapelle's voice while I read that...I lol'd

38:10 starts the joke.
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Old 07-13-2012, 08:10 PM   #26 (permalink)
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btw in that same video 46:25, making fun of a kidnapped girl because she couldn't scape from her captors.
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Old 07-14-2012, 02:54 AM   #27 (permalink)
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is what it is. as human beings we should be able to understand the context of what we are hearing.
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The account of the exchange is unclear, but here are some simple questions that I hope are provocative.


What makes something comedic? What is it that a comedian is doing? Are you a comedian if you make someone laugh, or do you have to be on stage? If you're on stage, do you have to tell jokes that would make people laugh in a more private setting, or can you let the performance take over? Are you a comedian, telling comedy, the whole time you're on stage? Is it enough simply to intend to make others laugh, even if you've missed the mark? And in what circumstances can a comedian be assessed as anything other than a comedian, a clown, a joke maker?

My opinion is that comedy does not take place on a stage, it is not a sustained act that begins when you take the mic and ends when you drop it (oh snap!). When you stand on stage, much like when you talk with friends, you take part in the highest art of comedy for moments, hoping to punctuate your commentary with the smiles and laughter of others. Although history is replete with "the comedian's comedian", the audience needs to feel like they can find the subjects of your comedy entertaining, whether it is normally a serious conversation in other social contexts or not.

It is for precisely this reason that I think Tosh made a mistake. First, because you're playing to a social group (which is usually quite variable, but is increasingly homogenized via globalization), you need to take into account what that group might think is funny. If follows from this that it is possible that some things are easier to joke about at a time in the historical past (think about, say, the subservience of blacks) than it is to joke about now, and I don't think there's anything really wrong with that. It also follows that when the audience has explicity said "I don't find that funny", and when the general social norm tends to be that it's not a topic with a lot of humour surrounding it, you might want to steer clear.

I do agree with Tosh that some things which are normally difficult or offensive to talk about can be discussed with humour, sometimes even better than they would have been discussed otherwise. However, standing on stage with a mic in your hand does not give you license to "joke" about how "funny" (on some views, that might be synonymous with "awesome") it would be for someone sensitive to rape to get gang-raped. If you say something like that without being absolutely clear that you're talking about meta-issues (as Tosh claims he was trying to do), then you should completely expect to get rebuffed. Rebuffed with extreme prejudice.


Also, I love Bill Hicks, but he is clearly a totally different comedian than Tosh, and so the comparisons are a little weak (I take it that a comedian known for dabbling in ribaldry has more leeway with their audience). Even then, the fact that someone else did something is no reason why someone else should get to do it, too; you wouldn't let your kids try such a silly argument, would you?
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Old 07-14-2012, 04:42 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Simply put. People are way too over-sensitive, don't go to a comedians show then not be able to take things with a laugh. Seriously get over yourself and take the stick out of your ass.

You should know what kinds of things are going to be coming out of the Comic's mouth long before you ever get them to do a show for you, fuck watch some previous stuff they do and decide then.
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Old 07-14-2012, 05:10 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Simply put. People are way too over-sensitive, don't go to a comedians show then not be able to take things with a laugh. Seriously get over yourself and take the stick out of your ass.

You should know what kinds of things are going to be coming out of the Comic's mouth long before you ever get them to do a show for you, fuck watch some previous stuff they do and decide then.
Really? I need to do research? Can I not simply expect a comedian to offer comedy? Because that's the problem here. There was zero comedic effect, unless his tone would somehow provide some, but it's difficult to imagine how that would be the case.

So you're in the audience and a comedian points to you and suggests it would be funny if you were bent over a table, stripped down, and had a stick shoved up your ass. No, no - make it a pole. A bamboo pole. And it gets shoved up your ass mercilessly.

Do you take that with a laugh? There needs to be a measure of truth in something, mixed with an unexpected twist or outcome, in order to make something comedic. And there's just no truth in the statement that it would be funny to have a stick shoved up anyone's ass. But please, laugh away. Get that stick out your ass.
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Old 07-14-2012, 07:57 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I wonder what happened to Tosh to make him so angry and mysognystic. Tiny dick? Got raped by daddy and mommy didn't do anything to help? Now he's angry at the world and compensating for his sad childhood by cutting down people. Just like Bill O'Reilly, his audience is your sad pathetic ugly male tiny-dicked bitter loser who couldn't get laid if a chloroformed hooker stumbled into his basement apartment - basically your bottom-of-the-barrel scum. In Brazil they have death squads to exterminate such useless resource-wasting fungi. Why not here? Hire some Nazis/CHP guys. Tosh is actually hilarious when he's cutting down people. Just wonder why he gets especially cruel when he focusses on women. Maybe someone firebombing his house while he's inside will help him open up.
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Old 07-14-2012, 08:09 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I wonder what happened to Tosh to make him so angry and mysognystic. Tiny dick? Got raped by daddy and mommy didn't do anything to help? Now he's angry at the world and compensating for his sad childhood by cutting down people. Just like Bill O'Reilly, his audience is your sad pathetic ugly male tiny-dicked bitter loser who couldn't get laid if a chloroformed hooker stumbled into his basement apartment - basically your bottom-of-the-barrel scum. In Brazil they have death squads to exterminate such useless resource-wasting fungi. Why not here? Hire some Nazis/CHP guys. Tosh is actually hilarious when he's cutting down people. Just wonder why he gets especially cruel when he focusses on women. Maybe someone firebombing his house while he's inside will help him open up.
this is worse than rape jokes.

i don't care much for what tosh said, but by the sounds of it, he got rid of the heckler with ease. mission accomplished.
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:32 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I wonder what happened to Tosh to make him so angry and mysognystic. Tiny dick? Got raped by daddy and mommy didn't do anything to help? Now he's angry at the world and compensating for his sad childhood by cutting down people. Just like Bill O'Reilly, his audience is your sad pathetic ugly male tiny-dicked bitter loser who couldn't get laid if a chloroformed hooker stumbled into his basement apartment - basically your bottom-of-the-barrel scum. In Brazil they have death squads to exterminate such useless resource-wasting fungi. Why not here? Hire some Nazis/CHP guys. Tosh is actually hilarious when he's cutting down people. Just wonder why he gets especially cruel when he focusses on women. Maybe someone firebombing his house while he's inside will help him open up.
He's just as ruthless to men.

As for your comment about Tosh's audience....

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I like Tosh.0

I kinda wanted to hate him, but I just can't.
I guess 'Cuda has a tiny dick! :cookie:
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:43 PM   #34 (permalink)
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He's just as ruthless to men.

As for your comment about Tosh's audience....



I guess 'Cuda has a tiny dick! :cookie:
Oh good, old posts come back to bite me in the ass. I've also never seen Tosh's stand-up, just the show. So I haven't commented on this issue.

And for the record, my dick is huge & I can get laid just fine.
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And for the record, my dick is huge & I can get laid just fine.
Same! Not only is Raptorchick wrong about penis size, she`s underestimated my ability to take advantage of choloroformed hookers.
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In that same show he talked about raping an old woman.
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Man i don't think he's that funny of a stand up comedian..his shows are funny cuz the videos he shows are funny. It wouldn't seem as offensive if the joke was actually funny.
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Really? I need to do research? Can I not simply expect a comedian to offer comedy? Because that's the problem here. There was zero comedic effect, unless his tone would somehow provide some, but it's difficult to imagine how that would be the case.

So you're in the audience and a comedian points to you and suggests it would be funny if you were bent over a table, stripped down, and had a stick shoved up your ass. No, no - make it a pole. A bamboo pole. And it gets shoved up your ass mercilessly.

Do you take that with a laugh? There needs to be a measure of truth in something, mixed with an unexpected twist or outcome, in order to make something comedic. And there's just no truth in the statement that it would be funny to have a stick shoved up anyone's ass. But please, laugh away. Get that stick out your ass.
Good for you, don't like the guy who cares, it's not you're style of comedy, just because YOU have a definition and certain need for styles of jokes and comedy doesn't mean it has to be scripted to a way YOU will enjoy it. You don't like his, move on. Guess what, he wouldn't be where he is now if he wasn't funny or comedic. Cool you didn't like the joke, stop getting all bent out of shape.

Also if that happened to me a in a show, I wouldn't really care, its what comedians do, they rip on the audience, yes it may of been a bit much, but thats the way he's always been, expect it if your going there.

Lastly, yes, do some research, why? Because then you'll know what kind of comedy show you're going to, and what type of things to expect so you don't walk into something that you're not going to like and have this happen and cry, bitch, and moan about it. Is it really that difficult to take 10 minutes to watch a potential comedy show you're thinking of going to or watching? Ya ok go waste you're money then with something you don't even know you'll enjoy. Why the hell do you think movie's have trailers?! SO YOU KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE GETTING YOURSELF INTO.

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I wonder what happened to Tosh to make him so angry and mysognystic. Tiny dick? Got raped by daddy and mommy didn't do anything to help? Now he's angry at the world and compensating for his sad childhood by cutting down people. Just like Bill O'Reilly, his audience is your sad pathetic ugly male tiny-dicked bitter loser who couldn't get laid if a chloroformed hooker stumbled into his basement apartment - basically your bottom-of-the-barrel scum. In Brazil they have death squads to exterminate such useless resource-wasting fungi. Why not here? Hire some Nazis/CHP guys. Tosh is actually hilarious when he's cutting down people. Just wonder why he gets especially cruel when he focusses on women. Maybe someone firebombing his house while he's inside will help him open up.
I'm not even goin to respond to all that useless nonsense, just shutup. If you're going to call everyone tiny-dicked, prepare to have someone prove you otherwise.

Whats with the ragging on basement apartments? They usually have way more included at a cheaper price then an apartment building... Not so much noise from the billion other apartments around you either.

As stated previously, he's cruel to both genders, sorry you took such offence and decided to unload just because this time it was a female.
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:26 AM   #40 (permalink)
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Oddly, people also believe that the "nice" comedians are...well, nice.

I'm all of a sudden craving a Pudding Pop.
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