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Old 01-09-2009, 06:32 PM   #61 (permalink)
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You oversimply it extremely if you think it's about one side being Jewish and one side being Muslim, infact before all this shit Muslims treated Jews alot better then most europeans did, and many consider them cousins. The religion is a small part, and if you think the Turks, Brits, Russians and Americans have nothing to do with the entire situation there, you are very naive, religion is just an excuse ppl that dont want to educate themselves on the situation make.
Absolutely true.

Look around...Jews and Muslims live together peacefully in many countries all over the world. They did in that region too prior to 1948.
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Old 01-10-2009, 10:40 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Absolutely true.

Look around...Jews and Muslims live together peacefully in many countries all over the world. They did in that region too prior to 1948.
Maybe the fact that Jews kicked Palestinians out of their homes and forced them to live in ghettos has something to do with it?
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Old 01-10-2009, 10:42 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Maybe the fact that Jews kicked Palestinians out of their homes and forced them to live in ghettos has something to do with it?
That couldn't be more historicly inaccurate.
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Old 01-10-2009, 01:10 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Again the whole pattern of saying this country and that country have every right to defend themselves doesn't work anymore. Warfare is now something that effects people outside of the borders of the countries involved, and it has to be internationally recognised that it is lose/lose for everyone. You can't fight and win a nuclear war, or a guerilla war and it's time to simply take away the decision-making power to go down those roads from individual countries.

The motivation on both sides of this conflict appear cynical enough for me to not take either seriously. And that's the case in many other places, and meanwhile all those problems just keep going to greater depths of lunacy. Modern conflicts have to be something dealt with on an international basis or we're fucked.
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Maybe the fact that Jews kicked Palestinians out of their homes and forced them to live in ghettos has something to do with it?
Not only is it historically inaccurate, but it's a pretty lame attempt at condemning Israel.

The fact of the matter is that Israel had to withstand a vicious attack from all sides after that land was partitioned. Jordan and Iraq from the east, Egypt from the South, and the ALA, Syria and Lebanon from the north. 1 in every 100 Jews died in that war. They had a functioning, self-sufficient society even before they were given that land whereas the Palestinians did nothing with it.

The notion which many people seem to believe is that all of these Jews marched into "Palestine" and set up a home without care for any of the previous inhabitants. It's fair to say that the Jews [even looking back to the last 600-800 years] have lived in Israel through MANY different dynasties under MANY different ruling empires. Constant battles for Independence.

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Not only is it historically inaccurate, but it's a pretty lame attempt at condemning Israel.

The fact of the matter is that Israel had to withstand a vicious attack from all sides after that land was partitioned. Jordan and Iraq from the east, Egypt from the South, and the ALA, Syria and Lebanon from the north. 1 in every 100 Jews died in that war. They had a functioning, self-sufficient society even before they were given that land whereas the Palestinians did nothing with it.

The notion which many people seem to believe is that all of these Jews marched into "Palestine" and set up a home without care for any of the previous inhabitants. It's fair to say that the Jews [even looking back to the last 600-800 years] have lived in Israel through MANY different dynasties under MANY different ruling empires. Constant battles for Independence.
Homes were taken away with the only justification being that it was God's will. That was hardly the whole story, but certainly a part of it. If you want to completely look past the difficult beginnings (which included the first car bombs as invented by pre-Israel zionists in the region), then just look at the illegal settlements, and it gets pretty hard to utterly deny what Ivan is saying.
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Homes were taken away with the only justification being that it was God's will. That was hardly the whole story, but certainly a part of it. If you want to completely look past the difficult beginnings (which included the first car bombs as invented by pre-Israel zionists in the region), then just look at the illegal settlements, and it gets pretty hard to utterly deny what Ivan is saying.
Car bombs weren't invented by Zionists. lol.

I can't deny the fact that there were groups of Israeli's that embraced terrorism at the time. The car bombs you're referring to were done by a Jewish terrorist group opposing the Palestinians and Brits in the area, mainly because Neville Chamberlain originally wanted it to be a Palestinian led country with restrictions on how many Jews were allowed to enter. They even went as far as to work with the Nazi's to bring in all of the oppressed jews from Europe in return for their help in bringing down Britain...They were looked down upon by most Jews from what I understand.
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Homes were taken away with the only justification being that it was God's will. That was hardly the whole story, but certainly a part of it. If you want to completely look past the difficult beginnings (which included the first car bombs as invented by pre-Israel zionists in the region), then just look at the illegal settlements, and it gets pretty hard to utterly deny what Ivan is saying.
My point exactly.. it's not about this side is right or other one is right... but about the fact that neither can pretend to be innocent victims here.

It's an ugly civil war with strong religious undertones... it will never get better until both sides realize that they are stuck with each other and that they need to find a way to live together.

As I said before I couldn't care less who 'wins' here... I have friends on both sides and 'frankly' I am sick of them blaming the other side each and every time... I myself come from fucked up country that was in war for more then a decade and I can state, without a doubt in my mind, that this shit leads nowhere good.
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Car bombs weren't invented by Zionists. lol.

I can't deny the fact that there were groups of Israeli's that embraced terrorism at the time. The car bombs you're referring to were done by a Jewish terrorist group opposing the Palestinians and Brits in the area, mainly because Neville Chamberlain originally wanted it to be a Palestinian led country with restrictions on how many Jews were allowed to enter. They even went as far as to work with the Nazi's to bring in all of the oppressed jews from Europe in return for their help in bringing down Britain...They were looked down upon by most Jews from what I understand.
LOL indeed. It was a group called Lehi. It was in fact a Zionist group, and they were the first to use car bombs in an organized and repeated manner in the 40's, as a means of ending peace negotiations.
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