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Old 01-08-2009, 02:12 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Israelis fired at UN workers today and also killed a UN truck driver.
Theyre also firing at schools as well.

I just find it really interesting how some nations can get away with things other cant.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/0...l_palestinians

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Old 01-08-2009, 02:18 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Israelis fired at UN workers today and also killed a UN truck.
Theyre also firing at schools as well.

I just find it really interesting how some nations can get with things other cant.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/0...l_palestinians
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:25 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Israelis fired at UN workers today and also killed a UN truck.
Theyre also firing at schools as well.

I just find it really interesting how some nations can get with things other cant.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/0...l_palestinians
How about the Palestinians that have arbitrailly been firing rockets into residential areas of Israel for the last 8 years? Blowing up buses etc...

Trust me when I say Israel did not intentially blow up a UN building...and at the school 4 people were killed including a high level Hamas terrorist, who was hiding out among civilians....the school was not active with students.
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How about the Palestinians that have arbitrailly been firing rockets into residential areas of Israel for the last 8 years? Blowing up buses etc...

Trust me when I say Israel did not intentially blow up a UN building...and at the school 4 people were killed including a high level Hamas terrorist, who was hiding out among civilians....the school was not active with students.
Why even bother Benzo.......
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Or how about the israelis who have been driving tanks and bulldozers over occupied homes for years...

this shit goes no where
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^^exactly, people have been arguing side on this for what, 5-6,000 years, not gonna change anytime soon.

As long as there is war in the middle east the norm will remain, if a day comes when all the middle east agrees to terms of peace, I think the world will implode into itself.
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there's a great article in teh economist this week about the current crisis. it basically centres around the fault to be placed with indiscriminate attacks vs the fault to be placed with an unproportional response. it is, of course, a lot more subtle and well informed than that brief synopsis, but it is very well written and interesting.
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^^exactly, people have been arguing side on this for what, 5-6,000 years, not gonna change anytime soon.

As long as there is war in the middle east the norm will remain, if a day comes when all the middle east agrees to terms of peace, I think the world will implode into itself.
there's always war in africa, south america and asia. middle east for some strange reason always seems to get the front and centre of it all...
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there's always war in africa, south america and asia. middle east for some strange reason always seems to get the front and centre of it all...
there is no strange reason... it's religion.
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This is no time to be silent and hide behind PC'ness. I fully support Israel but right now they're just wrong, wrong, wrong.
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Old 01-08-2009, 10:34 PM   #52 (permalink)
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there's a great article in teh economist this week about the current crisis. it basically centres around the fault to be placed with indiscriminate attacks vs the fault to be placed with an unproportional response. it is, of course, a lot more subtle and well informed than that brief synopsis, but it is very well written and interesting.
Did you mean this one?

http://www.economist.com/opinion/dis...fsrc=nwlehfree
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no, i was talking about the print edition. i'm not sure if it's online. on my way to bed but i'll try to find it some other time.
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You can say that this kind of shit has been going on for eons and will go on for eons more, but there is a big difference in warfare now than anything that happened a hundred years ago, let alone thousands of years ago.

There are two principal forms of warfare that are recent and both lead to situations where there is no victor, and only losers among us all, even those not directly linked in the conflict.

There is nuclear warfare. We have seen how that turns out. Not only is it morally unacceptable beyond anything we've been witness to before, but in many cases will lead to mutually assured destruction. Even in a one-sided use of these weapons, as in the scenario where Israel would nuke the Gaza Strip, the resulting environmental damage would lead to it's own population, and that of other uninvolved nations being left facing serious consequences.

Then there is the kind of Guerilla tactics that have been perfected over the last century, in conjunction with new forms of media, to the point where there is no hope of fighting a winnable war. Instead the stronger military power simply descends into what can only appear to be immoral behaviors that it would hope to remain untinged by, while being dragged further and further into exercises that only strength it's longterm strengths as a civil society, and all while providing further motivation for the kind of opposition that does not come in the nice neat uniformed packages that can be properly defended against.

So at some point we have to realise that war is a bad habit that actually has to end. It has become absurd to the point of absolute uselessness. Only looking at it as if it was the same as always allows for it to somehow go on.
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Isreal has every right to defend itself. This fact can not be argued by a responsible adult.

The lenght at which it should go to defend itself is the only debatable point, and if history is any indication, Israel will always be under attack, because the countries surrounding it do not want it to exist (regardless of what the spin doctors may say).

If it were canada, and The Dutch were just lobbing bombs on newfoundland for 8 years, how long would you want our government to sit on its hands.
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i'd give them an extra couple of years since we're stealing their land, destroying their homes and livelihood, oh and killing their children. in the meantime, we can bomb the hell out of belgium since one of their sects are holding a prisoner.
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i'd give them an extra couple of years since we're stealing their land, destroying their homes and livelihood, oh and killing their children. in the meantime, we can bomb the hell out of belgium since one of their sects are holding a prisoner.
Whos land? and who decides it?

Yes, Israel intentionally attacks children......oh no wait...thats the other guys. Also my comparison wasn't fair, Belguim is a country. Hey Jackson, if you feel so strong about it go give a native your house.
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Whos land? and who decides it?

Yes, Israel intentionally attacks children......oh no wait...thats the other guys. Also my comparison wasn't fair, Belguim is a country. Hey Jackson, if you feel so strong about it go give a native your house.
Good point.

I don't remember Palestine ever being a recognized nation.

So to say that the Israeli's are "stealing" their land is fairly inaccurate.

The fact of the matter is the Terrorists [I'm not talking about civilians] in that region care more about launching rockets into Israel than defending their own children. There should be some kind of accountability here when you're hiding large weapons caches in schools and hospitals.
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so if they don't acknowledge children when they drive over their homes, they're not intentionally killing them? thats swell. maybe when a palestinian is detonating himself he's not acknowledging anyone past the soldiers and policemen.

don't confuse me for a sympathizer for palestine. their hands are covered in blood. i just have a problem with israel sympathizers acting like they're innocent people. they're just as guilty. the only thing that makes them worse is that they have the weaponry. it's farmers with sticks versus a league of rambos.
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You oversimply it extremely if you think it's about one side being Jewish and one side being Muslim, infact before all this shit Muslims treated Jews alot better then most europeans did, and many consider them cousins. The religion is a small part, and if you think the Turks, Brits, Russians and Americans have nothing to do with the entire situation there, you are very naive, religion is just an excuse ppl that dont want to educate themselves on the situation make.
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