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Old 01-05-2009, 06:16 PM   #21 (permalink)
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"Good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad things. But for good people to do bad things... that takes religion."

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Old 01-05-2009, 07:17 PM   #22 (permalink)
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hehe - very familiar with all that

This is yet one more piece of crap passed along by the Bushies. He was soooo optimistic that he could bring about peace by the end of this year, and now we have him playing a major role in stirring up war. All this was purportedly rejected by the Israeli military higher-ups and pushed by the Bush administration. Can someone remind me why he wasn't impeached and put on trial?
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Old 01-05-2009, 07:23 PM   #23 (permalink)
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That is foolish. The world is different now than it was then, but I would like to understand how a 10 year old could understand household troubles such as money, adultery, family etc that the biblical author wrote about.

Other than that alot of what was said is true including what Claudius said.

I too consider myself religious, but the problem with all religions is the fact that things have been taken out of context and construed to fit certain parties' agendas.

For example with Christianity, the bible says that man is the head of the household, King James twisted that when having the original scrolls translated into english as being literal, "Males" are the head of the household, women obey your husbands. I take it as figurative; bills, TV, Children, Pets etc shouldnt have the run of the house, the adults should.

Most religions are very similar in nature, Jesus and God; Allah and mohammed; Do unto others, yin and yang.

Like Claudius said religion is fine, people need to have faith in something and it is natural to do so, but it is the blinding of self righteousness that brings about the conflict.
You don't have to take it out of context because it's twisted as it is, regardless of which version you're talking about. Why do people have to have faith in something? Not exactly a ringing endorsement for religion. "Well, I have to believe in something..." I believe in what we know and what I see. The rest is a great mystery. You believe in fairytales and an invisible man. On top of that, you've no reason to believe in those things other than the declarations of a poorly written, contradictory tome.

Faith is the act of believing in something you'd otherwise - and with all your mental capacities - think is absurd.
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Old 01-05-2009, 07:26 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Faith is more of an approach to the unknowable. It is the innocent origins of religions. It shouldn't be confused with belief, which is dogmatic and presses people into positions where they can make claims that would otherwise be absurd.
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"Religion is the opium of the masses."

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Old 01-05-2009, 10:15 PM   #26 (permalink)
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"Religion is the opium of the masses."

Karl Marx.
actually, that's not what marx meant or said. i'm too lazy and focused on the game to write a piece on it myself, so i'll borrow one:

Marx's quote:

Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.
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Usually all one gets from the above is “Religion is the opium of the people“ (with no ellipses to indicate that something has been removed). Sometimes “Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature“ is included. If you compare these with the full quotation, it’s clear that a great deal more is being said than what most people are aware of.

In the above quotation Marx is saying that religion’s purpose is to create illusory fantasies for the poor. Economic realities prevent them from finding true happiness in this life, so religion tells them that this is OK because they will find true happiness in the next life. Although this is a criticism of religion, Marx is not without sympathy: people are in distress and religion provides solace, just as people who are physically injured receive relief from opiate-based drugs.

The quote is not, then, as negative as most portray (at least about religion). In some ways, even the slightly extended quote which people might see is a bit dishonest because saying “Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature...” deliberately leaves out the additional statement that it is also the “heart of a heartless world.”
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Old 01-05-2009, 10:44 PM   #27 (permalink)
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You don't have to take it out of context because it's twisted as it is, regardless of which version you're talking about. Why do people have to have faith in something? Not exactly a ringing endorsement for religion. "Well, I have to believe in something..." I believe in what we know and what I see. The rest is a great mystery. You believe in fairytales and an invisible man. On top of that, you've no reason to believe in those things other than the declarations of a poorly written, contradictory tome.

Faith is the act of believing in something you'd otherwise - and with all your mental capacities - think is absurd.
I now you think, but I cant see, feel, acknoweldge that in any way.

There is good and there is evil, not seeing that make me feel dorry for you.

And in regard to having faith and beleiving in something, you said that you beleive in what you see and know, so you agree with me.
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Old 01-05-2009, 10:51 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I now you think, but I cant see, feel, acknoweldge that in any way.

There is good and there is evil, not seeing that make me feel dorry for you.

And in regard to having faith and beleiving in something, you said that you beleive in what you see and know, so you agree with me.
It has nothing to do with faith.

How do you figure I don't see good or evil?
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Old 01-05-2009, 11:26 PM   #29 (permalink)
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why do people do this?
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It's a very delicate situation happening right now.

I think it would definitely be good if we could engage in an intelligent, constructive discussion. Clearly many people everywhere have alot to say about it and it should definitely be said.
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it happens when you give people land that isnt yours to give.
wheres britain now?

its really unfortunate for both sides.
im glad i live in toronto.
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It's a very delicate situation happening right now.

I think it would definitely be good if we could engage in an intelligent, constructive discussion. Clearly many people everywhere have alot to say about it and it should definitely be said.
Do you still have family that live their gizz?
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No, most of my family is in Azerbaijan.

Many friends and all of their families. Also know a bunch of kids in the army there.

I just think there should be a forum where everyone can discuss what's going on like civilized people rather than this random racist nonsense that goes on everywhere else.
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Sad, sad stuff

“We can`t change the world unless we change ourselves.“
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Old 01-07-2009, 10:36 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Sad, sad stuff

We can`t change the world unless we change ourselves.
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Old 01-07-2009, 11:51 AM   #36 (permalink)
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No, most of my family is in Azerbaijan.

Many friends and all of their families. Also know a bunch of kids in the army there.

I just think there should be a forum where everyone can discuss what's going on like civilized people rather than this random racist nonsense that goes on everywhere else.
that depends on who you speak to. a couple of buds of mine think everyone is anti-semitic if they believe that israel is just as much at fault, or even more. being that you're so ready to talk about it only makes me feel like you want to educate us about it. i think it best remains untouched.
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that depends on who you speak to. a couple of buds of mine think everyone is anti-semitic if they believe that israel is just as much at fault, or even more. being that you're so ready to talk about it only makes me feel like you want to educate us about it. i think it best remains untouched.
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that depends on who you speak to. a couple of buds of mine think everyone is anti-semitic if they believe that israel is just as much at fault, or even more. being that you're so ready to talk about it only makes me feel like you want to educate us about it. i think it best remains untouched.
That's their opinion. You're entitled to your own as they are.

I don't care to bash everyone that thinks differently than myself. Clearly many people are going to have a different view on who they think is at fault and what has to be done to fix the problem [if there even is a solution].

I'm sure if anything, alot of people around here are very educated and have insightful things to say about it.
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I dont want to get to much into this because it has being overly discussed and really I dont like to argue politics because I always end up pissed off. My simplified opinion on this: I hate hamas for their brainless politics, and I hate Israel even more for their disproportioned answer. And above all I hate religion and all the radicals that run their institutions.
Like my favourite saying says, "An eye for an eye will make us all blind"
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Does this mean that we had something to do with this mess... I know I haven't... I am neither Jewish nor Muslim... I couldn't care less who owns that desert.

I would blame it on Israelis & Palestinians... they are the one who hate each other.
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