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Old 08-13-2009, 09:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ever since Manny Ramirez was found to be on steroids, I have not been surprised by anything else in the sports world. Though steroids is out of control, Barry Bonds still holds the home run record and will probably go into the hall of fame. Then there is all time hits leader Pete Rose who bet on baseball when he wasn't playing so they banned him from the hall of fame. Recently, Michael Vick was reinstated in the NFL. I don't think you should do that to a guy who had a dog fighting ring!
Meanwhile a long lost question arose in the NBA after Lewis was found positive for a banned substance, are steroids a problem in basketball???
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Old 08-14-2009, 11:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Ever since Manny Ramirez was found to be on steroids, I have not been surprised by anything else in the sports world. Though steroids is out of control, Barry Bonds still holds the home run record and will probably go into the hall of fame. Then there is all time hits leader Pete Rose who bet on baseball when he wasn't playing so they banned him from the hall of fame. Recently, Michael Vick was reinstated in the NFL. I don't think you should do that to a guy who had a dog fighting ring!
Meanwhile a long lost question arose in the NBA after Lewis was found positive for a banned substance, are steroids a problem in basketball???
I dont think so. NBA has never really had a problem with any form of PEDs including steroids. Offcourt issues such as drug use and various criminal activities surface much more often than steroids.
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Recently, Michael Vick was reinstated in the NFL. I don't think you should do that to a guy who had a dog fighting ring!
i am sorry but people have killed people and are in a professional sports team...and your gonna say that because vick had a dog fighting ring hes shouldn't play football....

-JR smith killed his best friend and hes in the NBA...barely went to jail...less than a month....

-Dany Heatley killed his friend/teammate in a traffic accident dont even know if he went to jail...

-Dante Stallworth killed a man while drinking and driving, he will be back in the NFL next season and he spent like 23 days in jail...

-Michael Vick killed dogs...he served 2 years in jail....lost 100 million dollars....and half a season of football....

there are millions of cows being slaughtered... they are animals too...i don't see any of the owners going to jail for 2 years...and dog fighting goes
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I'm saying he should have had a longer sentence. What he did was sadistic. He didn't just kill a few dogs. He killed them when they didn't perform etc. On and I think that not a lot of players in the NBA would get better from PED's because there are so many asects of basketball. I just heard the question come up quite a few times. Every sports has it's drugs problem. There was even a ping pong PED problem!
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i am sorry but people have killed people and are in a professional sports team...and your gonna say that because vick had a dog fighting ring hes shouldn't play football....

-JR smith killed his best friend and hes in the NBA...barely went to jail...less than a month....

-Dany Heatley killed his friend/teammate in a traffic accident dont even know if he went to jail...

-Dante Stallworth killed a man while drinking and driving, he will be back in the NFL next season and he spent like 23 days in jail...

-Michael Vick killed dogs...he served 2 years in jail....lost 100 million dollars....and half a season of football....

there are millions of cows being slaughtered... they are animals too...i don't see any of the owners going to jail for 2 years...and dog fighting goes
So, at one time Allen Iverson was sentenced to life in prison. He has to wear an arm band to cover up gang tatoos. Heatley should have spent some time in the slammer and no doubt about JR smith. Recently, when he came out of jail, he posted a gang messeage on twitter when he replaced Cs with Ks. If Vick gets two years, these guys should get more.
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Old 08-15-2009, 03:57 PM   #6 (permalink)
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So, at one time Allen Iverson was sentenced to life in prison. He has to wear an arm band to cover up gang tatoos. Heatley should have spent some time in the slammer and no doubt about JR smith. Recently, when he came out of jail, he posted a gang messeage on twitter when he replaced Cs with Ks. If Vick gets two years, these guys should get more.
vick already spent 2years and to add insult to injury...hes suspended for 1/3 of the year....
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Maybe I'm being a bit harsh on Vick. I take it back. He's a young guy and sometimes young guys make mistakes. You're c learly stoked about Vick and maybe I shouldn't be so negative about him. He could still turn around into a good person.
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Maybe I'm being a bit harsh on Vick. I take it back. He's a young guy and sometimes young guys make mistakes. You're c learly stoked about Vick and maybe I shouldn't be so negative about him. He could still turn around into a good person.
maybe ia m just one sided too because i am a huge Vick fan....but there have been people that have done much worse that are plying and haven't been scrutinized no were near as Vick has been.....what he has done is wrong, and hes paid the price and i think the media need to move on.....
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Maybe, just maybe, if you're a professional athlete you shouldn't kill a human being or engage in something that would be beyond on a summary conviction offence or a misdemeanor. However, trafficking for the purpose of selling, controlling and organizing a gambling ring (what Vick really got nailed for I believe) or killing another human being, yeah, then I think you shouldn't be allowed in.

Playing professionally is a privelge, but engaging in one of these acts, such a privelge should be removed otherwise no true lesson is really taught.
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Maybe, just maybe, if you're a professional athlete you shouldn't kill a human being or engage in something that would be beyond on a summary conviction offence or a misdemeanor. However, trafficking for the purpose of selling, controlling and organizing a gambling ring (what Vick really got nailed for I believe) or killing another human being, yeah, then I think you shouldn't be allowed in.

Playing professionally is a privelge, but engaging in one of these acts, such a privelge should be removed otherwise no true lesson is really taught.
That's deep. I really thought two years for gambling and killing dogs that didn't kill well is an outrage but if you're letting him into the NFL, no point in suspensions.
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That's deep. I really thought two years for gambling and killing dogs that didn't kill well is an outrage but if you're letting him into the NFL, no point in suspensions.
But why no point for a suspension?
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But why no point for a suspension?
becasue he's missed 2 years already....
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But why no point for a suspension?
If you give a guy two years in the slammer and he will be reinstated into the NFL, it's stupid to suspend him. What's the point?
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If you give a guy two years in the slammer and he will be reinstated into the NFL, it's stupid to suspend him. What's the point?
The point is to show that there are still consequences in the league. Remember, he was the STAR athlete, even the face of the NFL at one point, he was a representative of the league and what it stands for. Suspending him shows that even though you paid your price to society, you now need to pay your price to your football brothers for representing THAT society poorly.

The 2 year term in prison was a price he paid for committing a criminal act against American society. The NFL didn't reprimand him for that. Now, they're punishing him for representing the league in negative manner.

It's odd though, because the message now is being framed that we need to feel sorry for the guy. He's lost everything and lost millions of dollars. He took the risk, and the risk bit him in the ass. He had the privelege to make millions of dollars (something MILLIONS of Americans wish they could have), but because of choices he conciously made he lost that money. And now the message seems to be framed that he deserves to make millions back. It's annoying.
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The point is to show that there are still consequences in the league. Remember, he was the STAR athlete, even the face of the NFL at one point, he was a representative of the league and what it stands for. Suspending him shows that even though you paid your price to society, you now need to pay your price to your football brothers for representing THAT society poorly.

The 2 year term in prison was a price he paid for committing a criminal act against American society. The NFL didn't reprimand him for that. Now, they're punishing him for representing the league in negative manner.

It's odd though, because the message now is being framed that we need to feel sorry for the guy. He's lost everything and lost millions of dollars. He took the risk, and the risk bit him in the ass. He had the privelege to make millions of dollars (something MILLIONS of Americans wish they could have), but because of choices he conciously made he lost that money. And now the message seems to be framed that he deserves to make millions back. It's annoying.
look i agree with you but i don't because of the judical system in the U.S....vick served hard time for 2 years and now he will miss over 1/3rd of the football games this season....whiled Dante Stallword killed a MAN couple of months ago while drinking and driving.....and he went to jail for less than a month......and will miss 1 season without pay.....and doesnt loose all the money he made thoought the years hes been in the league....vick lost everything.....everything.....What kinda of message is the NFL sending?....Stallworth is getting a slap on the wrist for killing a man while vick gets his world torn apart for killing dogs.....i just think that is unfair....

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look i agree with you but i don't because of the judical system in the U.S....vick served hard time for 2 years and now he will miss over 1/3rd of the football games this season....whiled Dante Stallword killed a MAN couple of months ago while drinking and driving.....and he went to jail for less than a month......and will miss 1 season without pay.....and doesnt loose all the money he made thoought the years hes been in the league....vick lost everything.....everything.....What kinda of message is the NFL sending?....Stallworth is getting a slap on the wrist for killing a man while vick gets his world torn apart for killing dogs.....i just think that is unfair....
Vick lost everything because of tax evasion charges as well. Do I feel bad for him? No. Should I? No. He lost everything because of his own choices.

As for Stallworth, it's a damn shame that he only got one freaking month. ONLY one month. He didn't lose his money, yet, because he hasn't been found guilty on the same types of charges. However, Vick is still able to play in the league. Stallworth I believe was not reinstated by Goodell for this season and I don't see him reinstating him that quickly.

Also, that's not the NFL sending the message, that's the US gov't sending the message.
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Vick lost everything because of tax evasion charges as well. Do I feel bad for him? No. Should I? No. He lost everything because of his own choices.

As for Stallworth, it's a damn shame that he only got one freaking month. ONLY one month. He didn't lose his money, yet, because he hasn't been found guilty on the same types of charges. However, Vick is still able to play in the league. Stallworth I believe was not reinstated by Goodell for this season and I don't see him reinstating him that quickly.

Also, that's not the NFL sending the message, that's the US gov't sending the message.
stallworth is suspended for 1 year...he can come back and play next season.....
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stallworth is suspended for 1 year...he can come back and play next season.....
He needs to be reinstated first. He's suspended for now. Also, you have to question whether or not someone will actually offerhim a contract at a position with such high turnover.
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I am confused by the OP.

Surely you couldn't have been surprised that Manny got busted for 'roids? Come on.
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I am confused by the OP.

Surely you couldn't have been surprised that Manny got busted for 'roids? Come on.
I'm surprised Pujols is clean. He must spend hours and hours in the weight room.
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