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Old 06-24-2009, 10:05 AM   #81 (permalink)
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Um, yes? Are we not surrounded by convenience? Last I checked, you could buy gas, groceries at anytime at numerous different venues. Shall we stop that practice in the name of whatever you're defending?
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Old 06-24-2009, 12:26 PM   #82 (permalink)
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Um, yes? Are we not surrounded by convenience? Last I checked, you could buy gas, groceries at anytime at numerous different venues. Shall we stop that practice in the name of whatever you're defending?
Yes, where does that line stop though? What's the cost (social) of simply having everything convenient?

Does it really take that much effort to drive down to the LCBO? Or does it take that much effort to drive down to NOTL?

If that's all this is about, is convenience, then you have to ask yourself, where does the line get drawn?
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Old 06-24-2009, 12:39 PM   #83 (permalink)
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Yes, where does that line stop though? What's the cost (social) of simply having everything convenient?

Does it really take that much effort to drive down to the LCBO? Or does it take that much effort to drive down to NOTL?

If that's all this is about, is convenience, then you have to ask yourself, where does the line get drawn?
Not convenience.....choice. When the government has a monopoly, and it becomes a unioned enviroment, that is not fair to anyone...fuck it...deem it an essential service then.
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Old 06-24-2009, 05:05 PM   #84 (permalink)
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Damned environmentalists unioning everything all up.
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Old 06-25-2009, 12:39 AM   #85 (permalink)
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TheStar.com | Ontario | LCBO, union reach deal



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Old 07-13-2009, 10:01 PM   #86 (permalink)
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Don't teachers have the same payment as garbage men per year?
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Old 07-13-2009, 10:04 PM   #87 (permalink)
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i want to go to the island for fucks sake!
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Old 07-13-2009, 10:50 PM   #88 (permalink)
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Old 07-13-2009, 11:09 PM   #89 (permalink)
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I'm done with the strike now. Seeing the filth pile up in our beautiful city is a real shame. There has to be a better way. Can't someone arbitrate this shit?
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:21 AM   #90 (permalink)
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Union announces a deal with city - The Globe and Mail

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Negotiations between Toronto and the union representing the city's outdoor workers have resulted in a tentative deal shortly after a second deadline passed this morning after a full night of high-stakes bargaining.

CUPE Local 416 president Mark Ferguson says there is the “basis for a deal” with the city to end a 35-day strike.

A CUPE spokeswoman earlier this morning said the union was on the verge of walking away from the table when the city asked for more time -- the second extension granted today. “We were ready to come down here (to the media) to say it was done and the city asked for half an hour,” CUPE's Pat Daley said.

Mr. Ferguson represents 6,200 outdoor workers, including garbage collectors, drivers and paramedics.

Negotiations with Canadian Union of Public Employees Local 79, which represents indoor workers, went through the night and continue today, Ms. Daley said. They have not set a deadline.
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:24 AM   #91 (permalink)
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Yep thats 416, not 79 though.

Doesn't matter for me, watching this strike was like watching the two people you hate most go head to head, and just hoping they both fall apart,.
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:33 AM   #92 (permalink)
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Now they have all that rotting trash to deal with.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:48 PM   #93 (permalink)
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I have to share my garbage story and would love it if one of the supporters of the unions commented on what happened to me and answered my questions.

So, two weekends ago, around 1 am on Sunday (see, I was trying to be smart ), I have arrived at Ingram Transfer station (5 minutes drive from my home). That's not a temporary dump site - it's a public garbage transfer facility, owned by the city and open 24/7 all year round. In the trunk of my wagon I had 2 plastic bags filled with rotten garbage (note the wagon part - i.e. no real trunk). I encountered a line of cars (about a dozen), waiting for a chance to unload their garbage. It turned out that the picketers (about 20 of them there, in the middle of the night, with a fire going in a barrel and folding chairs) imposed a 15 minutes per car delay to take the bags and put them in a garbage truck waiting past the gates of the station. There were also 2 Toronto city workers present, waiting to ticket people who lost their patience and dumped their bags by the fence ($500 fine). When I asked them to assist me with getting my garbage disposed off faster, they refused. I then tried to walk to the truck with the two bags in hand. I was met with a "live fence" of about 5 men who blocked the sidewalk, thus impeding my progress. One of them actually yelled that they have "mob" on hand. When I tried to push through them, another dude (looked to be around 50-60 years old), fell under my feet and started yelling: "Assault! Assault!"...

I honestly felt trapped in some weird underground play. I've retreated to my car and waited way past 3 am to get rid of my two bags. Next morning, I called 12th police precinct to register a complaint - and people there wouldn't comment on the legality of picketers' actions. They also refused to come there with me and to escort me to the truck, saying they prefer not to get involved. I then called the city (they turned out to have about 30 lawyers on staff). I actually spoke to the chief legal counselor to the city of Toronto. He assured me that in blocking the sidewalk the protesters acted illegally, and promised to get back to me with whatever action the city is going to take. He took down my name and phone number - and no one called me back.

Now, they seem to have settled the strike. Why is it that I am feeling anally raped by the union and the city at the same time? Why did I have to spend over two hours on Sunday night sitting in my car with two bags of rotten garbage? Why is it that my police force (as in, paid for from my pocket) has an option to choose when to enforce the law? Why is it that the city has people to write illegal dumping tickets, but not people to remove picketers who block pedestrian access to public facilities? Why is it that this city will continue to employ the people who stopped me that night instead of firing their asses immediately upon the commencement of the strike (see VIA Rail approach) and switching to private contractors for garbage collection (works like a charm in Etobicoke)?

I want right-wing local government in Toronto come next elections. I want local 416 dismantled or, at the very least, I want my city to stop employing union members wherever possible. Lenin once said that unions are a "school of communism". Thanks, CUPE, for your gentle reminder.

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Old 07-27-2009, 01:05 PM   #95 (permalink)
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what they did was illegal, and the city has been investigating legal action against the union for similar incidents.
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:22 PM   #96 (permalink)
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what they did was illegal, and the city has been investigating legal action against the union for similar incidents.
How does it help me, sitting there in the car? Where were the police?

To add some illustrative power to the story: they were enjoying it, I could read it clearly on their faces. They were "sticking it to da man". Me, apparently...

In the good, ol' La Internationale, the de facto anthem of communists everywhere, there is a line that goes like "we have been nought, we shall be all!" - they liked to exercise their power over me! That's what boils my blood to this day.

There were other drivers coming up behind me that night. I believe had I made a move, we'd have had ourselves a fine union brawl. I kinda regret that I didn't...

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Old 07-27-2009, 03:55 PM   #97 (permalink)
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And now, it seems, the city has given up all of the concessions it was trying to get out of this strike: TheStar.com | GTA | City dropped all concessions, union says

If this turns out to be true, it basically means I've sat in that car for nothing. Feeling better and better...
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Old 07-27-2009, 03:56 PM   #98 (permalink)
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unless you have seen a sneak peak at the cba, i suggest you read that as nothing but posturing.
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Old 07-27-2009, 07:40 PM   #99 (permalink)
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The taxpayers lose again. Who is willing to bet that this thing won't happen again in the next 5 years?

Not me

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Old 07-27-2009, 11:17 PM   #100 (permalink)
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unless you have seen a sneak peak at the cba, i suggest you read that as nothing but posturing.
Sure, I won't trust the union boss with my garbage from now on.

But I am going to be really, really curious to see the particulars of the "new deal".
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