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i expected so much more...
Seriously, I have no patience anymore. I look forward to when I must refer to my country as "Mother Canada"
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as i said, i think it's good that it is a controlled substance, and i think it's good that it directs revenue to the gov't. i like 'sin' taxes. i'm open to giving an outlet to disadvantaged businesses to sell around the lcbo, but i wouldn't want that to turn into a free for all.
That's the argument you hear again and again - that if it were readily available (at all hours, no less), there'd be madness in streets rife with alcoholics wreaking havoc. It's been proven to be unfounded. Prohibition ended long ago. It's time for us to grow up.
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That's the argument you hear again and again - that if it were readily available (at all hours, no less), there'd be madness in streets rife with alcoholics wreaking havoc. It's been proven to be unfounded. Prohibition ended long ago. It's time for us to grow up.
actually, by 'free-for-all', i was talking about businesses, not individuals. i worry that if liquor distribution became completely deregulated there would be a mad rush of small businesses popping up trying to fling as much booze off the shelves as possible at basement prices thereby demolishing quality of service and breadth of product variability. this doesn't paint a pretty picture for me.

and i'll be the last guy to stand up for prohibition, but one of the first to say that i want the point of access controlled so that it's not available 24 hours a day with no regulation. that's not prohibition.
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I realize I live in a completly different world from unions. I live in a place where my job performance is my only job security, where raises are earned and not entitled, where sick days are meant for days you need off when you are sick, not to be banked as a part of a package.

I live in what we call reality, where higher taxes do not nessecarily mean a higher standards of services. Where a single teired health care system has not existed for some time and yet people think we are the standard.

I live in a place where government gets elected on the backs of unions and then gets held hostage by them

I live in a city that is a figmant of what it was and what it can be.
see, to me, this is fantasy land. a world with no oppression, with no power, with a level playing field to begin with and where competition brings out the best in people instead of the most extreme kinds of selfishness. that's fantasy land. but i live in reality, where certain kinds of workers do need protection from oppressive employers and some people need assistance in competing with the rich (or semi-rich) and connected, where universal health care as a goal is better than a system whereby people that have cash get service and those that don't wait in lines.
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actually, by 'free-for-all', i was talking about businesses, not individuals. i worry that if liquor distribution became completely deregulated there would be a mad rush of small businesses popping up trying to fling as much booze off the shelves as possible at basement prices thereby demolishing quality of service and breadth of product variability. this doesn't paint a pretty picture for me.

and i'll be the last guy to stand up for prohibition, but one of the first to say that i want the point of access controlled so that it's not available 24 hours a day with no regulation. that's not prohibition.

Umm seriously? Opposite accually. Competition will ensure that customer service and product variability will go up.

Customer service is never better when unions and gov't are in charge.
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at the lcbo it is. ever tried to buy good wine in the states? tons of small fry stores trying to make money are not going to give the the variety you can get at the lcbo. check out the cold beer and wine stores in vancity, for example. total shit.
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see, to me, this is fantasy land. a world with no oppression, with no power, with a level playing field to begin with and where competition brings out the best in people instead of the most extreme kinds of selfishness. that's fantasy land. but i live in reality, where certain kinds of workers do need protection from oppressive employers and some people need assistance in competing with the rich (or semi-rich) and connected, where universal health care as a goal is better than a system whereby people that have cash get service and those that don't wait in lines.
Is anything that I said a lie?
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Is anything that I said a lie?
no, although we could debate the last two sentences. my point is only that it is an impossibility, given the reality of our world. i'm interested in what works for the community, not what would be great for myself if the world was a different place.
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at the lcbo it is. ever tried to buy good wine in the states? tons of small fry stores trying to make money are not going to give the the variety you can get at the lcbo. check out the cold beer and wine stores in vancity, for example. total shit.
Much like restauants.....you can go to Mcdonalds...The KEG...or Spacco. Choice is a great thing.

If you want to go to the LCBO....go to the LCBO...if I choose to buy my wine somewhere else, I should have the right to do that,
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no, although we could debate the last two sentences. my point is only that it is an impossibility, given the reality of our world. i'm interested in what works for the community, not what would be great for myself if the world was a different place.
So we continue to tax, untill we tap that well, and we have to live in a government controlled state.....great..worked for the USSR.
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yeah, but i don't buy a month's worth of resto food at once. i don't want to have to go to 6 different stores to buy french, canadian, australian, etc wines. the lcbo offers tremendous choice, and i have no problem with small wineries having wine rack-like outlets to support their small businesses.
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So we continue to tax, untill we tap that well, and we have to live in a government controlled state.....great..worked for the USSR.
Don't be so dramatic and so historically false with the USSR.

Yeah, that's my role in this right now. Doing nothing.

Also, I laugh at the notion of choice. First thing I've learned about this world. Choice doesn't exist in it's literal sense. Only pre-determined choice exists.
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So we continue to tax, untill we tap that well, and we have to live in a government controlled state.....great..worked for the USSR.
We have it better here then in nthe U.S which is run by greedy rich poeple and the insurance industry! Oh wait........one in the same! lol
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So we continue to tax, untill we tap that well, and we have to live in a government controlled state.....great..worked for the USSR.
total garbage. you are creating a falsehood in my argument and then attacking it... nonsense.

if you really think i am advocating for state control of everything, for repression and brutality and for a complete lack of freedoms, then i don't know what to say. that's just horseshit.

you make it sound like taxation will eventually take every dollar out of the poicket of every canadian. it is and will always be a percentage benzo. by definition you cannot tap that well when it is being resupplied and you never take more than a percentage.

you can do a lot better than that.
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total garbage. you are creating a falsehood in my argument and then attacking it... nonsense.

if you really think i am advocating for state control of everything, for repression and brutality and for a complete lack of freedoms, then i don't know what to say. that's just horseshit.

you make it sound like taxation will eventually take every dollar out of the poicket of every canadian. it is and will always be a percentage benzo. by definition you cannot tap that well when it is being resupplied and you never take more than a percentage.

you can do a lot better than that.

Oh I can't wait to get out of my meeting with this one.
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here we go.
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actually, by 'free-for-all', i was talking about businesses, not individuals. i worry that if liquor distribution became completely deregulated there would be a mad rush of small businesses popping up trying to fling as much booze off the shelves as possible at basement prices thereby demolishing quality of service and breadth of product variability. this doesn't paint a pretty picture for me.

and i'll be the last guy to stand up for prohibition, but one of the first to say that i want the point of access controlled so that it's not available 24 hours a day with no regulation. that's not prohibition.
If there are a bunch of people like you - and according to the LCBO there are - then the whole thing could be sold off to a private company and remain what it is and what you love, with its variety and quality, and still remain successful without being threatened by other venues opening up.
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but i want the revenue going to the government. that's a vital component.
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I am enjoying Benzo's Glenn Beck impersonation.

I think I agree with him on the LCBO though. There are some stores with unbelievable variety for beer, wine and hard stuff. Check out Premier Gourmet if you ever get the chance. There is so much beer in particular, that we never get to see due to the big brewers having a stranglehold on shelf space. I've seen lots of variety in BC and Calgary as well, although I'll admit that what they offer in terms of greater US microbrews is great but the european stuff isn't as available as here.

I'm not sure if I want something making money being sold off, but I would guess that we'd be better served as customers.
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