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Old 03-06-2009, 11:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hopefully the Dow can change.

The new spending is beyond ridiculous. Did this guy really know what he was getting into, it seems he didnt really have a true grasp on the situation.

His whole pulling out of Iraq thing was BS, now he says he will leave 60k troops as "advisors" basically qouting word for word a speech by Bush...... im feeling nervous these days, maybe a community organizer with little exec experience wasnt the best idea, time will tell.
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He reminds me more and more of Kennedy with each passing day.

I think everyone knew he wasn't great on foreign policy, I always thought he was mediocre and catering to the far left really.

He's in a tough bind though, espescially considering the US housing market still hasn't seen the bottom of this crash. That's coming later this year I believe. Is this the end of the US empire?
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I will not be critical of Barrack...everyone just calls me a bigot.
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Old 03-06-2009, 11:32 AM   #4 (permalink)
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it's really starting to feel that way to me Claud..... honestly, im guilty of expecting too much from Obama, it seems he isnt really implementing anything that hasnt been discussed or thought of before and he just wants to spend his way out of everything.

He is realizing that Washington wont just bend to his rule like many assumed aswell, he is making it very hard for the right to agree with him these days and has mega trouble with the far left.

Alot of his speeches seem like he is still running, you won bud, stop giving me platitudes and rhetoric. Its like the opposite now, everything used to be hope and change, now it's doom and gloom.
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it's really starting to feel that way to me Claud..... honestly, im guilty of expecting too much from Obama, it seems he isnt really implementing anything that hasnt been discussed or thought of before and he just wants to spend his way out of everything.

He is realizing that Washington wont just bend to his rule like many assumed aswell, he is making it very hard for the right to agree with him these days and has mega trouble with the far left.

Alot of his speeches seem like he is still running, you won bud, stop giving me platitudes and rhetoric. Its like the opposite now, everything used to be hope and change, now it's doom and gloom.
Exactly. His address to congress about a week ago, it reminded me of an electoral speech. Nothing more, nothing less.

His advisors in Iraq is a mirror image of what Kennedy did in Vietnam (at the beginning of the conflict). You either stay or pull out completely. His spending right now is ridiculous. Again, I'm a proponent that this is the market correcting itself. This was due to inflated values and people attempting to reach the American dream. Now, throwing, what was it, 1 trillion dollars at it. I dunno anymore. He's such a divisive figure, which is sad, because right now, more than ever, they need a unifying figure to straighten it out.
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Maybe it shouldn't come as a surprise, but I'm rather shocked at the number of people stateside who would rather see the US fail rather than succeed if that meant Obama failed along with it. It is disgusting to me.

Rather than work together to make the country right (as McCain pleaded in his concession speech), it's all about tearing down the new administration.
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Old 03-06-2009, 03:07 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Presidents are just spokes in the wheel like the rest of us.
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The whole 'change' slogan. It was just so corny and cliche. Not to mention the idea of change was becoming trendy just before Obama came around. People were starting to get the word "change" tattooed on their bodies. I know of a couple people myself.

Using change as a slogan, just irked me. It's kind of low really...anyone down and out or unhappy with themselves is attracted to the concept of 'change'.

I feel the same away about Obama as I did about Bush. They're just figureheads. They could not even exist for all I care, and I don't feel my life would be any different if they didn't. That level of control is so distant from my everyday life.
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This shit goes way beyond the market correcting itself. The market was one big fiasco of a scam, with AIG providing insurance for shit they knew was shit, but they could make it look good because of their AAA rating, which they fucking paid to acquire, because the whole system was regulating itself.

The marketization of garbage loans that are insured through derivatives took us all down a hole that nothing is going to get us out of. I'm pretty happy that an agenda of change has not been put aside as a result. And there is a definite hard deadline for everybody being out of Iraq. That will not be his Vietnam. The frightening similarity to Kennedy and Vietnam comes with Afghanistan.
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Obama's a lame duck. I expected little to nothing of him out of fairness. He's inherited a the mother of all clusterfucks. The shortsightedness of his and previous generations have brought the country to this point and there's no easy way out. which is why i think his speeches tend to sound like "stay the course" mantras.
Except staying the course means things are going to get a whole lot worse before there's any signs for a better life.
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The whole 'change' slogan. It was just so corny and cliche. Not to mention the idea of change was becoming trendy just before Obama came around. People were starting to get the word "change" tattooed on their bodies. I know of a couple people myself.

Using change as a slogan, just irked me. It's kind of low really...anyone down and out or unhappy with themselves is attracted to the concept of 'change'.

I feel the same away about Obama as I did about Bush. They're just figureheads. They could not even exist for all I care, and I don't feel my life would be any different if they didn't. That level of control is so distant from my everyday life.
The trouble is that Bush's control was not so distant. He operated as a tyrant. I'm not just saying that in a reactionary manner. His administration is being looked into and there is all kinds of evidence that shows that the US stopped being a democratic state for eight years, and that whatever the Bushies wanted said and done about just about anything was said and done. And there's a good chance that at some point your activities fell under some kind of watchful eye.

I agree that change as a slogan is just a slogan - and there is no good slogan out there. But it is also very much an embodiment of what is needed, and what actually was needed for quite some time. That doesn't mean it's going to happen instantly, and if we don't actually notice it so much - it will be that much more of a success. We will all definitely notice if real change fails to take root.
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The trouble is that Bush's control was not so distant. He operated as a tyrant. I'm not just saying that in a reactionary manner. His administration is being looked into and there is all kinds of evidence that shows that the US stopped being a democratic state for eight years, and that whatever the Bushies wanted said and done about just about anything was said and done. And there's a good chance that at some point your activities fell under some kind of watchful eye.

I agree that change as a slogan is just a slogan - and there is no good slogan out there. But it is also very much an embodiment of what is needed, and what actually was needed for quite some time. That doesn't mean it's going to happen instantly, and if we don't actually notice it so much - it will be that much more of a success. We will all definitely notice if real change fails to take root.

bush bashing is boring...and lazy.
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Who's Bush bashing? He was told he was above the law, and that's the path he chose. There is documented evidence, there is going to be a truth commission on his administration's many criminal abuses. There's no need for me to bash him.

If I were to bash him I'd look at this economic mindfuck. I mean thankyou God for telling the man he needed to be President.
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Oh and along with documented evidence - there is plenty of illegally destroyed evidence.
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Who's Bush bashing? He was told he was above the law, and that's the path he chose. There is documented evidence, there is going to be a truth commission on his administration's many criminal abuses. There's no need for me to bash him.

If I were to bash him I'd look at this economic mindfuck. I mean thankyou God for telling the man he needed to be President.
Whatever LX.

Blame everything on him if it helps you sleep at night. You mention there is a deadline to get troops out of Iraq. When is that exactly?

I perfer someone who makes choices than one who delivers rhetoric....Obama is like the Mc'Donalds of politics- quick, easy and cheap, no real substance.

The challanges Bush faced have never been faced by an American President before, did he make mistakes? Absolutly.

I will say it again though, history will judge him. As it has many world leaders, that while not popular at the time, history has deemed them admirable.
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Oh and along with documented evidence - there is plenty of illegally destroyed evidence.
I have evidence Barrack Obama, is accually the love child of Oprah and a left footed Hopi Indian....unfortunatly the evidence was destoryed.
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I have evidence Barrack Obama, is accually the love child of Oprah and a left footed Hopi Indian....unfortunatly the evidence was destoryed.
Total bullshit!


Everyone knows that all Hopis are right-footed.
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Name one person who committed crimes while in office that history deemed admirable.
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Whatever LX.

Blame everything on him if it helps you sleep at night. You mention there is a deadline to get troops out of Iraq. When is that exactly?
Dec 2011.

Who should be blamed? He was the guy in charge no? And I'm more apt to blame just about everyone and everything involved with any kind of power over the last 30 years. Bush was the glorious culmination.
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Name one person who committed crimes while in office that history deemed admirable.
Churchill was a war criminal. As was Truman. Thats off the top of my head.
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