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There are three stages of panic I go through whenever I hear about some sort of possible pandemic. I call this the 'Aaron Scale'. Stage one is mild, coming on when random news reports from faraway lands start popping up. Stage two involves a little trembling after the statements by WHO start surfacing. Stage three consists of a few 'Oh, God, F*ck Me' type mumbles when the news finally reaches CNN.

World Health Organization: Swine flu could spread globally - CNN.com

Anyone else shitting themselves? I know this pandemic is going to happen at some point.
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Old 04-25-2009, 12:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Don't get too worked up about something you have no control over.

I know the trend of "world virus" movies have helped to increase our fears and the media screams FIRE every time something new comes out

But there's so much shit happening in the world if I was to stress about everything that comes up I wouldn't be able to get up in the morning
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Old 04-25-2009, 12:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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"there's no sense worrying about something that is completely out of my control" is what i tell myself when i read things like this. SARS, Ebola, Avian Flu, they've come and gone in the media's eyes and sometimes the trick is being able to differentiate between a legitimate threat and media overexposure. With the way people are, and the type of fear mongering you see, something like this always tends to get blown out of proportion. Or, given the way the media functions, perhaps stories like this have no proportion.

the limits are created within the minds who imagine them. and the media usually leans towards worst case scenarios. looking at the wording of the title of the story, "swine flu could spread globally", within this type of framework is probably the worst way to word it. the uncertainty of could, and the open-endedness of the "how" leaves people's imaginations to cook up all sorts of doomsday scenarios.

i suppose the reality is that if you cram enough people into a confined space then the potential for these types of diseases springing up and killing thousands or millions is magnified by the environment it finds itself in.
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Old 04-25-2009, 02:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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This is a little different than what you guys are talking about. I didn't fear SARS or Ebola. I did and do fear Avian and fear this latest one. A pandemic is inevitable - it's the way nature works. They've been popping up with regularity since the 16th century. And as far as the news coverage goes, this isn't new. It's been talked about since 2003 and it's pretty much the same story with different strains of what scientists believe will mutate and become problematic.

I fear death and that's pretty much my only fear. Lots of times, you can't control your fate, but how can you not fear death? And as far as not fearing something you have no control over, we do have some semblance of control over this and our fear is what will save loads of people. To brush it off and relate it in any way to the silver screen or 'doomsday' is craziness.
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Too much fear can lead to overreaction as well, sometimes with negative consequences. For example, enough fear could goad a country into invading another country without any evidence of provocation.

Yes, there have been viruses and plagues that have killed millions over the centuries but we've never had the level of science and technology to deal with these problems as we do now.

I'm not gonna look up the odds, but you probably have a better chance of getting hit by a car on your way to work then contracting this virus.

Myself, I take this news with a grain of salt and I'm not going to sell my house and move to a deserted island just yet. I've got enough things to fear with terrorism, earthquakes, global warming, the financial downturn and WWIII. My plate is full.
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This is a little different than what you guys are talking about. I didn't fear SARS or Ebola. I did and do fear Avian and fear this latest one. A pandemic is inevitable - it's the way nature works. They've been popping up with regularity since the 16th century. And as far as the news coverage goes, this isn't new. It's been talked about since 2003 and it's pretty much the same story with different strains of what scientists believe will mutate and become problematic.

I fear death and that's pretty much my only fear. Lots of times, you can't control your fate, but how can you not fear death? And as far as not fearing something you have no control over, we do have some semblance of control over this and our fear is what will save loads of people. To brush it off and relate it in any way to the silver screen or 'doomsday' is craziness.
No ones brushing it off. My point was how does anyone really grasp the levity of a situation when the information is filtered as it is? You yourself posted a link to one of the most alarmist of all media outlets. Whether you like it or not, the side effect of all of this is public passivity in the time of a "crisis". I put that one in quotations because depending on where you stand, we're in full blown crisis mode already. Pandemics aren't natural. They're the result of the way in which we've organized this particular society, structurally, materially, and culturally.

Fear breeds pacification, and ultimately, nihilism. I don't see how fear will save loads of people. If anything, it's killed millions and fixated millions more with endgame scenarios and escapist fantasies that some disease will usher in the end. There's more diseases killing people right now than the one your afraid of. I think the problem is they involve changing how we live our lives and making difficult choices. People love these kinds of "scares" because it means they can wash their hands of any culpability and responsibility of having to deal with their own crippling fears and inadequacies.
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Old 04-25-2009, 04:04 PM   #7 (permalink)
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My problem is that I end up thinking I've got the disease if I take it too seriously. The mind can be a bigger problem than any virus. Mine can anyways.

If it was a flesh-eating disease pandemic though - all bets are off. I'll be bedridden by the fear and remaining in the fetal position until the all clear is given.
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Old 04-26-2009, 03:54 AM   #9 (permalink)
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No ones brushing it off. My point was how does anyone really grasp the levity of a situation when the information is filtered as it is? You yourself posted a link to one of the most alarmist of all media outlets. Whether you like it or not, the side effect of all of this is public passivity in the time of a "crisis". I put that one in quotations because depending on where you stand, we're in full blown crisis mode already. Pandemics aren't natural. They're the result of the way in which we've organized this particular society, structurally, materially, and culturally.

Fear breeds pacification, and ultimately, nihilism. I don't see how fear will save loads of people. If anything, it's killed millions and fixated millions more with endgame scenarios and escapist fantasies that some disease will usher in the end. There's more diseases killing people right now than the one your afraid of. I think the problem is they involve changing how we live our lives and making difficult choices. People love these kinds of "scares" because it means they can wash their hands of any culpability and responsibility of having to deal with their own crippling fears and inadequacies.
I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. Who said this will 'usher in the end'? You mentioned ebola before and if you're equating this with ebola, you're off. This is completely different. This isn't a 'scare' and you're whole deal of this being some sort of human fallacy scapegoat is insane.
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Old 04-26-2009, 08:59 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Pandemics happen historically. They're unavoildable and strictly historically speaking, we're kinda due for one. Nihilistic? Sure. But it's one of those things. However, I equate it much more to a natural forest fire, as the fire purges the dead areas in the forest, pandemics, and this is gonna sound horrible, purge people. The Earth is a screwy thing.

Next, I remember being a child and being deathly afraid of flesh eating disease. If ever such a pandemic existed, I would likely move underground and live amongst the mole people.
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We're actually due for an extinction.

And nihilism isn't such a negative thing, necessarily. There are varying degrees. I find it a pretty good way to approach death when taken within something of a buddhist context where impermanence defines everything. The way Mexicans approach death within their own culture is pretty cool, embracing it while personifying it and allowing the power of fear to dissipate a little in the process. Again there are varying degrees of fear as well. Paralyzing fears would tend to lead to the kind of nihilism that could not be seen to be positive in any sense I guess.
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Old 04-27-2009, 12:43 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed

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Taking it a little out of context, wouldn't you say Ugo?
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Death is nothing to be afraid of, and neither is this pandemic. That's not to say that we shouldn't take it seriously; just that over-reaction is unnecessary.
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Death is nothing to be afraid of, and neither is this pandemic. That's not to say that we shouldn't take it seriously; just that over-reaction is unnecessary.

No one's overreacting.

And I disagree. Death is something to fear. It's also terribly sad.
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No one's overreacting.

And I disagree. Death is something to fear. It's also terribly sad.
Dude, death is unavoidable. It's going to happen to all of us and some point or another.

That's why it's important to live life to the fullest while you're able to.
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