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Old 04-30-2009, 01:11 PM   #101 (permalink)
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I think what TO is trying to say is that the media machine is in full drive right now on this disease. You can't walk or go anywhere without someone talking about it. I equate it to the game of telephone, where the media says one thing and blamo, you hear that it may add an additional arm on you as well.

The coverage this disease is borderline ridiculous. Watching the local news yesterday (Hamilton), the city had a small news conference on how they'll deal with it and the news spent a good 3 minutes on it. Now, here's my problem. Dofasco/US Steel etc. release a large amount of toxins in the air. The area immediately surrounding that region has one of the highest cancer rates in Canada I believe. The last time I looked, cancer was in fact a disease. Why is there no massive coverage, both news, political discussion etc. on that? Why is it that a flu that has infected I believe 4 people in Canada, getting more attention than a disease that has no cure? Is it simply because we've agreed that it's always going to be a problem therefore it's null and void? When the black smoke that was released in August over the city, dumping soot and whatnot on the lower East End of the city, why was the scientific study dismissed and when reported on, given 3 paragraphs only? Yet, Swine Flu, full pages? The Gov't of Canada has released a statement, that if this reaches epidemic stages they have enough vaccinations for the entire country. That was mentioned, ONCE only. But no, no, let's focus on the people, idiotically wearing masks.

I'm sick of the media attention this is receiving, simply because it's misplaced media attention and only contributes to wide spread panic and fear. Media was/is a tool able to inspire change in people. However, when used like this, I equate no more than watching the movie Outbreak, where 10 years down the line, you completely forget about and move on to the next blockbuster.
To compare it now to the problems caused by Dofasco or your run of the mill influenza is moot. Dofasco pollution is nothing new and both that and common influenza are predictable. WHO and the CDC knows what this could turn into. Will it? Who knows. As far as I've seen concerning the media reports, very little of it is overreaction - in fact, there was a story about Health Canada telling people not to wear masks which was picked up by most media outlets. What people on Twitter or Facebook report or offer opinion in shouldn't be considered.

As far as the vaccine goes, I'm sure they're talking about Tamiflu and that's no surprise and hardly a news story that they would have enough. They're still working on the vaccine for swine flu. Tamiflu doesn't really apply at this point.

So, as far as their being an overreaction, I don't see it. People really aren't panicking and the news stories about possible catastrophic outcomes has been minimal. It's more along the lines of better to be safe and informed than sorry. If, down the road when this thing (hopefully) blows over, people sigh and say "I told you so - it was nothing", they'll be missing the point.
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Old 04-30-2009, 01:29 PM   #102 (permalink)
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To compare it now to the problems caused by Dofasco or your run of the mill influenza is moot. Dofasco pollution is nothing new and both that and common influenza are predictable. WHO and the CDC knows what this could turn into. Will it? Who knows. As far as I've seen concerning the media reports, very little of it is overreaction - in fact, there was a story about Health Canada telling people not to wear masks which was picked up by most media outlets. What people on Twitter or Facebook report or offer opinion in shouldn't be considered.

As far as the vaccine goes, I'm sure they're talking about Tamiflu and that's no surprise and hardly a news story that they would have enough. They're still working on the vaccine for swine flu. Tamiflu doesn't really apply at this point.

So, as far as their being an overreaction, I don't see it. People really aren't panicking and the news stories about possible catastrophic outcomes has been minimal. It's more along the lines of better to be safe and informed than sorry. If, down the road when this thing (hopefully) blows over, people sigh and say "I told you so - it was nothing", they'll be missing the point.
24 Hour coverage on the major news networks is nothing? Asking if this is a terrorist attack is nothing? It's absolutely, positively ridiculous what they're reporting right now. I go on every major newspaper website and I guarantee you I see one story followed by another 4 substories on the subject. It's reached assinine levels.

My point on the mills was proved perfectly by you. Thank you. We understand that pollution can kill us. We understand that Cancer can kill us. But we essentially say, well fuck it. Let's pay attention to something new, meanwhile, that shit that you already know about, we can't do anything about so let's focus our energy on this. Do you see how ridiculous that line of thinking is? We're complacent. In the US alone cancer represented 1 of 4 deaths alone. 1 in freaking 4. That's an insanely high number. It's already turned into something. But since it's not air born pathogen or something that can be weaponized against humanity, we say well, screw it. To fix the problem would require more than a simple vaccination and really, who wants to deal with a disease like that?

And sure, the gov't has released that statement. However. Go through the newspapers and the media clips and ask yourself how many shots they HAVE of people wearing masks? That's a visceral shot aimed at getting a visceral response from the public. Hell, I was driving to work today and I counted 13 people wearing masks. THIRTEEN!!!! People may not be panicking, but there's a large enough portion who are over-reacting.

Why not release a statement, prior to outbreaks and say, please, people, proper hygenic care will lead to your long term health? No, we wait when viruses come out. And if we need a virus to tell us to be cleaner, then well, we're all fucked anyways.
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Old 04-30-2009, 01:31 PM   #103 (permalink)
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the reason its getting so much attention is because of the fact that a few of the people who died from it in Mexico were teens who were heathy and in very good physical condition... the types of people who would usually shrug off a flu - yet they died.
heh, just like Ecstasy killing all the club kids, they left out the part about the GHB, all those little Mexican kids were on GHB when they go tthe Flu.

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Hell, I was driving to work today and I counted 13 people wearing masks. THIRTEEN!!!! People may not be panicking, but there's a large enough portion who are over-reacting.
$20 bucks says they were all Asian.
Asian's love the masks.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:30 PM   #105 (permalink)
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24 Hour coverage on the major news networks is nothing? Asking if this is a terrorist attack is nothing? It's absolutely, positively ridiculous what they're reporting right now. I go on every major newspaper website and I guarantee you I see one story followed by another 4 substories on the subject. It's reached assinine levels.

My point on the mills was proved perfectly by you. Thank you. We understand that pollution can kill us. We understand that Cancer can kill us. But we essentially say, well fuck it. Let's pay attention to something new, meanwhile, that shit that you already know about, we can't do anything about so let's focus our energy on this. Do you see how ridiculous that line of thinking is? We're complacent. In the US alone cancer represented 1 of 4 deaths alone. 1 in freaking 4. That's an insanely high number. It's already turned into something. But since it's not air born pathogen or something that can be weaponized against humanity, we say well, screw it. To fix the problem would require more than a simple vaccination and really, who wants to deal with a disease like that?

And sure, the gov't has released that statement. However. Go through the newspapers and the media clips and ask yourself how many shots they HAVE of people wearing masks? That's a visceral shot aimed at getting a visceral response from the public. Hell, I was driving to work today and I counted 13 people wearing masks. THIRTEEN!!!! People may not be panicking, but there's a large enough portion who are over-reacting.

Why not release a statement, prior to outbreaks and say, please, people, proper hygenic care will lead to your long term health? No, we wait when viruses come out. And if we need a virus to tell us to be cleaner, then well, we're all fucked anyways.
Comparing this to cancer is pointless. Cancer isn't news. Now, if something comes up - some new study or some medical breakthrough regarding cancer, it's always reported. This swine flu wasn't a threat 3 weeks ago, so it's news. It's developing and it's something that is changing hourly, so new reports are filed.

We say, 'well fuck it'? We do? There's a mammoth scientific industry focused on researching cancer. Could more be done? Of course. But that's neither here nor there.

How do you release a statement for an outbreak that hasn't happened? Do you know how many statements would have to be released? Do you know how many infectious disease possibilities there are? THAT would create exactly what you claim the media's creating.
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Comparing this to cancer is pointless. Cancer isn't news. Now, if something comes up - some new study or some medical breakthrough regarding cancer, it's always reported. This swine flu wasn't a threat 3 weeks ago, so it's news. It's developing and it's something that is changing hourly, so new reports are filed.

We say, 'well fuck it'? We do? There's a mammoth scientific industry focused on researching cancer. Could more be done? Of course. But that's neither here nor there.

How do you release a statement for an outbreak that hasn't happened? Do you know how many statements would have to be released? Do you know how many infectious disease possibilities there are? THAT would create exactly what you claim the media's creating.
I think Claud's point is about the same one I was making a few days ago. With Cancer killing 1 in 4, why the fuck does it not receive the same kind of media scrutinization and social response? Everyone's generally okay with it. It's capacity to kill is accepted.

Disease is a big business and any person with a brain knows that wherever there's human and animal suffering there's money to be made. You can bet the big phramaceutical companies are lining up around the block to get whatever vaccine they come up with patented, purchased by every government on the planet and injected into every single person. My point is, is that in times like these, where people get strung out on fear, and panic, those in power start swinging their dicks because they know they can pass and push any fucking thing they want and no one's going to stop them.
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Generally ok with cancer? What planet are you from?

And why? I explained why. What would you report on cancer today that hasn't already been reported? So, everyday, there should be the news story, "Cancer kills 1 in 4" as the top story? That's old news and common knowledge. If cancer rates soared tomorrow, it would be the top story for weeks while they tried to figure out what was going on and people would be scared.

Its capacity to kill isn't accepted as evidenced by the money spent on research and treatment. It still scares the living crap out of whomever it affects. What is accepted is where we're at in eradicating the disease and our limitations at this point with dealing with it. We accept that it moves slowly. Don't confuse that with complacency.
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Aar, I think stress is going to kill you long before the swine flu does. You worry too much my friend.
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Aar, I think stress is going to kill you long before the swine flu does. You worry too much my friend.
Har dee har. In my defense, I worry about everything. Not a fan of sickness or death. Now, it doesn't stop me from living my life. I've been with my boy all this week and we've gone on walks and to the park and no masks. I went out last weekend to see Acie's band and breathed in the germy air. I also went to the hospital for my cardiac stress test while the technician coughed beside me and told me she had some respiratory infection that 'was going around'.

I'm just defending the media on this subject. I hope people don't think I'm fear mongering.
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I'm just defending the media on this subject. I hope people don't think I'm fear mongering.
I was kidding, but I do picture you walking around with your son in the park inside a big bubble.
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I was kidding, but I do picture you walking around with your son in the park inside a big bubble.
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I'd like to interject that there was no germy air at our gig.

Groovy Food gigs are safe for all to attend.
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Anybody hear about the little boy who contracted the first case of swine flu and is perfectly healthy now? The kid's from Mexico, they call him Patient Zero and the kid's fine now, how did he survive? Is he the chosen one?
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I'd like to interject that there was no germy air at our gig.

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I meant the normal, germy air there, Yngwie.
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I meant the normal, germy air there, Yngwie.
Dude, I was so going to come and get you tonight. The old man had his retirement party at The Duck. I went down after work, got sloshed and sat in with the band.
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$20 bucks says they were all Asian.
Asian's love the masks.
Dude, it doesn't matters whether they're Asian or not, words getting around and putting fear in the hearts of men.

My brother works at a pharmacy and he says they are sold out and on back-order for more masks. He says a lot of them are for people who are taking a flight within Canada. Lots of people overreacting.
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Dude, I was so going to come and get you tonight. The old man had his retirement party at The Duck. I went down after work, got sloshed and sat in with the band.
What the hell! I'm waiting for the 'but'.
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Actually, I only intended to stay for one beer, but you know how these things go.
I'll tell you how these things go. You havin' a gay ol' time like Fred Flinstone and me sitting on the couch watching Dr.Phil.
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