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Old 04-27-2009, 08:01 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I do sort of fear these pandemics. I mean I would like to believe science could find a fix for this, but they haven't for cancer and HIV. My guess is that this will eventually blow over though and that the media freak-out is predictably overblown. I try not to fear death and understand you can't stop a chance accident or whatever if it happens, but that holds true because most of these things are very unlikely. (adding to the other closest to death stories in this thread, when I was 8 I fell backwards off the rails of an elevated staircase and did a full backflip and landed on my feet... I don't think I'd be paralyzed if I landed on my back, but say directly on my head, I'm probably not typing this. I also fell out of a car during a u turn when I was 5.)

If a global pandemic eats humanity within the next 100 years... well that would just be unlucky. IMO as soon as people start self-sufficing in space isolated from each other then humanity will basically be immortal, barring the universe snapping in on itself or Space Hitler creating a universe nuke. We won't live forever if we stay on Earth, but if it ends up there's at least a number of ships floating around light years from each other out there in the universe, again unless the entire universe is destroyed there's basically no chance of a catastrophe or pandemic eliminating them all in a single blow like it can with everyone on Earth.

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Old 04-27-2009, 09:36 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. Who said this will 'usher in the end'? You mentioned ebola before and if you're equating this with ebola, you're off. This is completely different. This isn't a 'scare' and you're whole deal of this being some sort of human fallacy scapegoat is insane.
You still fail to illustrate how this is insane. There's far worse diseases out there killing people as we speak. Have you ever had to watch someone die of diabetes. It's long, ugly, and painful. Why is it that certain diseases get so much freaking attention and drive people into bouts of fearing death and others that are just as deadly and debilitating that have no cure (outside of changing your lifestyle and environment) not warrant so much of a peep and are accecptable risks? Please think before you dismiss. If you aren't going to explain how or why you think the way you do then don't bother contributing.
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Old 04-27-2009, 10:04 PM   #43 (permalink)
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This swine flu thing is ridiculous. If you look @ the biological aspect of this.. it's a different form of the common flu. Anyone on this forum that has a regular immune system can fight it off (go check the stats if you want). The people that are dying from this are the young, the elderly and people with autoimmune diseases that would have likely died from the regular strain of the flu anyway.

I'm not so sure of an epidemic spreading so quickly and taking out a lot of the earth's population. The worst kind would be a disease that could be passed through the air (sars) and which could kill people of any age (not just people with weaker immune systems). Our quarantine techniques are unbelievable now. But maybe they have brainwashed me and the rest of the pre-med community that humans can heal everything to survive.
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Old 04-27-2009, 10:07 PM   #44 (permalink)
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You still fail to illustrate how this is insane. There's far worse diseases out there killing people as we speak. Have you ever had to watch someone die of diabetes. It's long, ugly, and painful. Why is it that certain diseases get so much freaking attention and drive people into bouts of fearing death and others that are just as deadly and debilitating that have no cure (outside of changing your lifestyle and environment) not warrant so much of a peep and are accecptable risks? Please think before you dismiss. If you aren't going to explain how or why you think the way you do then don't bother contributing.
I believe I explained the how and why.

What's frightening about this and avian is that at any time, one of these will spiral out of control - it's pretty much an accepted fact within the scientific community, which is a fairly level-headed community. When you look at some of the more severe scenarios where there's widespread death, travel is banned and economies are strained in ways we've never experienced, the comparison you speak of is moot. Look down the line at the various pandemics which have been happening regularly for centuries, like the Spanish Flu, where in six short months, 50 million people perished. This isn't diabetes and this isn't cancer.
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Old 04-27-2009, 10:10 PM   #45 (permalink)
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This swine flu thing is ridiculous. If you look @ the biological aspect of this.. it's a different form of the common flu. Anyone on this forum that has a regular immune system can fight it off (go check the stats if you want). The people that are dying from this are the young, the elderly and people with autoimmune diseases that would have likely died from the regular strain of the flu anyway.

I'm not so sure of an epidemic spreading so quickly and taking out a lot of the earth's population. The worst kind would be a disease that could be passed through the air (sars) and which could kill people of any age (not just people with weaker immune systems). Our quarantine techniques are unbelievable now. But maybe they have brainwashed me and the rest of the pre-med community that humans can heal everything to survive.
You're correct about the preparedness we possess compared to previous generations but the bulk of the people dying in Mexico were young, healthy adults.
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Old 04-27-2009, 10:21 PM   #46 (permalink)
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"The Public Health Agency's website says on average, the common flu sends about 20,000 Canadians to hospital each year. Between 4,000 and 8,000 Canadians can die of influenza and its complications annually, depending on the severity of the season. "

When the swine flu reaches those numbers... it will be like the REGULAR flu lol. Of course most of these healthy people in Mexico do not get the flu shot (although this will not prevent swine flu) and so many healthy people in mexico die of the regular flu as well.

I believe all the deaths so far have been in and around mexico city? That is one of the most populated and unsanitary cities in the world, and with all the smoke and whatnot it has something like 30% less oxygen than at sea level? Many people in the states that caught this flu had mild symptoms and many have already fought it off on their own.

This thing has been blown way out of proportion.
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"The Public Health Agency's website says on average, the common flu sends about 20,000 Canadians to hospital each year. Between 4,000 and 8,000 Canadians can die of influenza and its complications annually, depending on the severity of the season. "

When the swine flu reaches those numbers... it will be like the REGULAR flu lol. Of course most of these healthy people in Mexico do not get the flu shot (although this will not prevent swine flu) and so many healthy people in mexico die of the regular flu as well.

I believe all the deaths so far have been in and around mexico city? That is one of the most populated and unsanitary cities in the world, and with all the smoke and whatnot it has something like 30% less oxygen than at sea level? Many people in the states that caught this flu had mild symptoms and many have already fought it off on their own.

This thing has been blown way out of proportion.
How do you figure? The response is proportional to what's been going on - a mutated flu which popped up in Mexico and killed a bunch of people and as with other outbreaks of a similar nature, there's always the possibility of it becoming a widespread pandemic. In order to be prepared so we have a chance to minimize a possible widespread outbreak, we have to react to it in this way. If we, like some on this thread, simply treat it as some sort of trivial matter and brush it off as some example of human paranoia, then we aren't prepared at all.
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Old 04-27-2009, 10:51 PM   #48 (permalink)
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I believe all the deaths so far have been in and around mexico city? That is one of the most populated and unsanitary cities in the world, and with all the smoke and whatnot it has something like 30% less oxygen than at sea level? Many people in the states that caught this flu had mild symptoms and many have already fought it off on their own.
Not to mention less access to health care and a weaker health care system in general.
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Old 04-27-2009, 11:56 PM   #49 (permalink)
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My near death experiences include falling through an icy pond when I was 12 and looking up seeing the sheet of ice above me. Managed to find the hole I fell through and pull myself and brother out. I've had a gun in my face about 3 times and outran a bar full of angry people who hate foreigners in Asia and still emerged unscathed. Those experiences were a lot scarier than whatever virus CNN is trying to sell me.
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Old 04-28-2009, 02:16 AM   #50 (permalink)
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Old 04-28-2009, 02:37 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Old 04-28-2009, 03:05 AM   #52 (permalink)
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I should have said phase four.

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Phase 4 is characterized by verified human-to-human transmission of an animal or human-animal influenza reassortant virus able to cause “community-level outbreaks.” The ability to cause sustained disease outbreaks in a community marks a significant upwards shift in the risk for a pandemic. Any country that suspects or has verified such an event should urgently consult with WHO so that the situation can be jointly assessed and a decision made by the affected country if implementation of a rapid pandemic containment operation is warranted. Phase 4 indicates a significant increase in risk of a pandemic but does not necessarily mean that a pandemic is a forgone conclusion.
Hopefully the fact that it hasn't caused deaths elsewhere is a good thing. Maybe it'll peter out at this stage.

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Strictly speaking, Avian Influenza and SARS did not become pandemics because they were too good at killing their hosts.

"For a sustained pandemic, it needs to be able to maintain human-to-human contact without killing its host off," he said.

Avian influenza "never became a man-to-man disease," said Dr. Lo Wing-Luk, an infectious disease expert.

"Swine flu is already a man-to-man disease, which makes it much more difficult to manage . and swine flu appears much more infectious than SARS."

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May I remind you that we live in a middle of a HIV pandemic?
Or that tuberculosis killed 100 million people in 20th century and by now has developed drug-resistant forms?
Who cares about 50 people dead from swine flu when regular flu kills thousands every year?

Media panic is a tool nothing more.
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May I remind you that we live in a middle of a HIV pandemic?
Or that tuberculosis killed 100 million people in 20th century and by now has developed drug-resistant forms?
Who cares about 50 people dead from swine flu when regular flu kills thousands every year?

Media panic is a tool nothing more.
A tool for what?

These are WHO reports. If officials and scientists thought like you, a huge chunk of the world's population would be obliterated by carelessness and paranoia.
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May I remind you that we live in a middle of a HIV pandemic?
Or that tuberculosis killed 100 million people in 20th century and by now has developed drug-resistant forms?
Who cares about 50 people dead from swine flu when regular flu kills thousands every year?

Media panic is a tool nothing more.
HIV is preventable in many developed countries and is usually contained in more rural areas due to poor use of contraception. As for TB, it's a fact that many many of us already have TB (Latent TB), there's no cure except to keep yourself healthy and not become too weak for it to become active TB. It can be kept under control in many areas of the world as long as you take care of yourself

The problem with flu is that it has the ability to mutate unlike many other pathogens. With the atmosphere as it's medium, it's even more dangerous. The body doesn't recognize new strains of flu because it does not have the receptor to stop it (mutate=change shape) and one that's crossover mutated from infecting pigs to humans can be even more dangerous. Adding to that, many parts of the world (including over here in Asia) have already diagnosed individuals infected, just shows you how easy a human to human virus spreads. Flu is no joke my friends

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Old 04-28-2009, 01:29 PM   #56 (permalink)
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May I remind you that we live in a middle of a HIV pandemic?
Or that tuberculosis killed 100 million people in 20th century and by now has developed drug-resistant forms?
Who cares about 50 people dead from swine flu when regular flu kills thousands every year?

Media panic is a tool nothing more.
since when was HIV an air born disease?
you can contract a flu just by breathing in infected air, or touching a door knob... even the most healthy person can contract it.
flu's are deadly because they mutate... if this gets out of hand millions could be infected within days.
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its funny, my dept just sent out a memo for 'working from home'.
telling everyone to be prepared.

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That would be sick BTW what is your job that can supposedly be done from home ??
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Old 04-28-2009, 05:57 PM   #60 (permalink)
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That would be sick BTW what is your job that can supposedly be done from home ??
well Gurkie-boy, i spend all of my day pretending to do work, but really i'm surfing the net and posting stuff on RF... i get an hour lunch, and i take about 2 shits a day.
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