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Old 05-02-2011, 02:02 PM   #101 (permalink)
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sweet. it's awesome for the forces of righteousness to be able to take out people when they don't like 'em. i hope they give us a clear list of who is take-out-able, or at least what makes someone eligible for takeoutability.
'when they don't like 'em'?

Where's that facepalm emoticon?
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:05 PM   #102 (permalink)
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It's not about an eye for an eye. Some might think it is and react as though it is, but that's not really what's going on here. He was guilty of mass murder and was the head of a whackjob terrorist organization. You take him out. It's as simple as that. No need for a trial, no need to keep him around. No need to get answers. He was clear about what he'd done, why he did it and what his ultimate goal was.
After what was done yesterday, no he was not found guilty of mass murder. His sentence was carried out and never tried. It's easy to throw out the term "whackjob" when we're only seeing one side of a very broad and complicated story. Must be comfortable for you to take everything at face value because you were told that this was a very bad man. If only for the victims, there most certainly needed to be a trial. Nothing is one sided or cut and dry.
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it was a capture mission, according to the WH press con happening now.
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:11 PM   #104 (permalink)
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After what was done yesterday, no he was not found guilty of mass murder. His sentence was carried out and never tried. It's easy to throw out the term "whackjob" when we're only seeing one side of a very broad and complicated story. Must be comfortable for you to take everything at face value because you were told that this was a very bad man. If only for the victims, there most certainly needed to be a trial. Nothing is one sided or cut and dry.
There is not one person on this website that would argue that Bin Laden was NOT a very bad man.
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:16 PM   #105 (permalink)
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There is not one person on this website that would argue that Bin Laden was NOT a very bad man.
Would those same people argue that the United States government was on par?
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:19 PM   #106 (permalink)
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I feel that a trial at the very least would have legitimized the whole reason for going to war. Now it just ends up as an act of vengeance. And it won't stop. Now there will surely be more acts of retribution. These people have known war their entire lives, are relentless and will never give up - basically it will just be an endless cycle of violence and hate. They needed to break the cycle and a trial would have been a step towards that if he was sentenced by an international tribunal.
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'when they don't like 'em'?

Where's that facepalm emoticon?
would you be ok if another sovereign nation assasinated george w because of war crimes? say afghanistan?
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would you be ok if another sovereign nation assasinated george w because of war crimes? say afghanistan?
Yes, George W Bush is the same as Bin Laden
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Would those same people argue that the United States government was on par?
I am confused, are you saying Bin Laden was not a very bad man?
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:35 PM   #110 (permalink)
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Yes, George W Bush is the same as Bin Laden
it doesn't matter if they were equal. if the other sovereign nation found that he was a bad man and assasinated him, is it not the same thing? or do only western powers get to make judgments like that?

and if it is the issue of a head of state that is the roadblock for you, substitute a non-government person for gwb, say the florida preacher that was burning korans. would you be comfortable with another sovereign nation carrying out an assasination that they felt was legitimate on us soil without a trial?

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it doesn't matter if they were equal. if the other sovereign nation found that he was a bad man and assasinated him, is it not the same thing? or do only western powers get to make judgments like that?
Right,

I love these leaps.

Bin Laden is not the leader of a sovereign nation. He was a stone cold killer and mass murderer.

and why do you keep using Bush? Bush didn't kill him. Obama did...the great democratic hope.

Fact is everyone wanted him dead.

I have a better comparison for you. If Bernardo was loss, and the cops went to get him in Mexico, and he started shooting back what should be done then?

Trust me Bin Laden is much closer to Bernardo than he is Bush
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it doesn't matter if they were equal. if the other sovereign nation found that he was a bad man and assasinated him, is it not the same thing? or do only western powers get to make judgments like that?

and if it is the issue of a head of state that is the roadblock for you, substitute a non-government person for gwb, say the florida preacher that was burning korans. would you be comfortable with another sovereign nation carrying out an assasination that they felt was legitimate on us soil without a trial?
Nice Edit...

Burning the Koran is the same killings 1000's
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i edited my original post to anticipate that response. leave gwb out of it if you wish(although i wasn't trying to insinuate that it had anything to do with the targeting of osama, there were several other reasons that he has been accused of war crimes).

and no, i would not have been comfortable with tjem sending in an assasination team to kill bernardo.

of course this all depends on what the actual mission was. my point is only that if you open up the idea that it is ok to go into sovereign nations to assasinate someone you should probably be ok if they did that to womeone within your borders (or the us's in this case).
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:46 PM   #114 (permalink)
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While I agree that celebrating is over-doing it...
This is simply a high profile casualty of war.
A war that bin Laden started by the way.
Arrest? Please.
The real shame is that this mission wasn't accomplished
a decade ago. Spare me the bleeding heart rhetoric.

He got what he deserved.
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Nice Edit...

Burning the Koran is the same killings 1000's
i am ackowledging the edit (which came before your post - nice try). and i did it to focus on my point, not to escape yours.

that said, you keep missing the point. it is not about equating the 'horrificness' of the acts. it is about intervention in another sovereign nation to murder someone. would you be ok with that in reverse?

and it is all speculation as we will likely never know what actually happened.
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:50 PM   #116 (permalink)
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I am confused, are you saying Bin Laden was not a very bad man?
I am saying that it is all a matter of perspective. We don't get to hear their side. We hear what we are told their side of the argument is. That is no way to make decisions. Our "bad guy" hid in poverty in caves and theirs lives on a ranch worth millions in Texas. Everything we condemn Bin Laden for is exactly what the United States government does on a FAR grander scale everyday.

We don't know all of his reasons for doing what he "did" and now we won't ever get the chance. Convenient isn't it?
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:51 PM   #117 (permalink)
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say the florida preacher that was burning korans. would you be comfortable with another sovereign nation carrying out an assasination that they felt was legitimate on us soil without a trial?
everyone has a time. if the preacher's time gets pushed ahead because of the burning of the koran, i'm okay with it. i think his actions make him exempt from a trail.
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I am saying that it is all a matter of perspective. We don't get to hear their side. We hear what we are told their side of the argument is. That is no way to make decisions. Our "bad guy" hid in poverty in caves and theirs lives on a ranch worth millions in Texas. Everything we condemn Bin Laden for is exactly what the United States government does on a FAR grander scale everyday.

We don't know all of his reasons for doing what he "did" and now we won't ever get the chance. Convenient isn't it?
Fucked up.
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i am ackowledging the edit (which came before your post - nice try). and i did it to focus on my point, not to escape yours.

that said, you keep missing the point. it is not about equating the 'horrificness' of the acts. it is about intervention in another sovereign nation to murder someone. would you be ok with that in reverse?

and it is all speculation as we will likely never know what actually happened.
We disagree on your point. I think you have to equate the 'horrificness'.

If Bin Laden was living in the Canada and the USA wanted his ass dead....doors open.
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Fucked up.
Easy to say because it's just something you see on a ticker and read about on twitter. The other side lives these atrocities every day. You can't continue to push people, eventually they'll push back.
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