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Old 05-02-2011, 01:35 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Mr.M's names are why this is important.

Good fucking riddance to that psychopathic fuck wad waste of oxygen.

He receives no sympathy from me,

A trial? Are you fist fucking me?
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Old 05-02-2011, 01:40 PM   #82 (permalink)
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nothing quite like sweet, sweet vengeance, eh benzo?

the fact that people died is tragic, and deserved of justice. listing them here is useless because it serves nothing but to inflame emotions and restrict substantive debate.

an eye for an eye is not how you conduct international relations if your country is founded on the rule of law and jurisprudence.
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Old 05-02-2011, 01:41 PM   #83 (permalink)
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give me one reason why the posting of those names contributed positively to this thread.
Because we should never forget who died on that day.
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You cannot compare the two. It's like comparing fruits to vegetables and saying that they are similar based on the fact that they are produced by some plant form. The comparisons end there.

And again, I point to the Nuremberg trials firstly, where Goering (most notably) was tried. He still spewed his hatred and several others had calls to action as well, but nothing came of it. PM Tojo, during the Tokyo trials, refused to criticize Emperor Hirohito. I can cite other examples as well.

And of course, this can be taken many steps further with the admittance. Should GWB be tried for his invasion? Should Reagan have been tried and impeached for his lies? LBJ for manufacturing the Gulf of Tonkin incident? I could go and on. It's never that black and white though.
Goering was a) not the Fuhrer b) at that point viewed as a buffoon by a lot of Germans and Nazis and c) claimed at trial that he was not anti-semitic, and that he didn't believe the accounts of the atrocities. He had very little support.
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I don't think asking for a trial is on par with a fist fucking. Some people are interested in defending universal values, no matter who the "Figure-head of evil" is at the time.
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Because we should never forget who died on that day.
so i take it that you have the list memorized? do you also keep track of the afghanis and iraqis that have died since? are we keeping score?
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nothing quite like sweet, sweet vengeance, eh benzo?

the fact that people died is tragic, and deserved of justice. listing them here is useless because it serves nothing but to inflame emotions and restrict substantive debate.

an eye for an eye is not how you conduct international relations if your country is founded on the rule of law and jurisprudence.
How would/could justice be served here?

A trial? where we get to see people riot, and possible kill more? Quite frankly best case scenario, would have been to kill him and tell nobody
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so i take it that you have the list memorized? do you also keep track of the afghanis and iraqis that have died since? are we keeping score?
yep....every single person has Bin Laden to blame
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Because we should never forget who died on that day.
But you never remembered. From day 1, very few people actually knew a single victim of the attacks on 9/11 any more than they knew the hundreds of thousands of Middle-Eastern civilians that have been killed. It is a silly rhetorical point that has nothing to do with whether or not this was a just action on the part of the US.
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so i take it that you have the list memorized? do you also keep track of the afghanis and iraqis that have died since? are we keeping score?
You're too fast for me.
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How would/could justice be served here?

A trial? where we get to see people riot, and possible kill more? Quite frankly best case scenario, would have been to kill him and tell nobody
i've already posted that i'm not sure what the alternative is, so i am trying not to make a judgment yet about how this went down. what i am saying is that their actions here seem directly opposed to the model by which they govern themselves. this is worth paying attention to. as ligeia said, if we are committed to universal values, we should be properly committed to them, not just on a convenience basis.
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nothing quite like sweet, sweet vengeance, eh benzo?

the fact that people died is tragic, and deserved of justice. listing them here is useless because it serves nothing but to inflame emotions and restrict substantive debate.

an eye for an eye is not how you conduct international relations if your country is founded on the rule of law and jurisprudence.
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yep....every single person has Bin Laden to blame
again, where's the value in listing them here?

is bin laden to blame for the first gulf war too? or are we only keeping score since 9/11?

are we keeping a list of people who die from atrocities around the globe, or just americans and people killed through american 'justice'?
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spare me,

Hey this was in violation of international law no? Assassination? When do we impeach Obama?
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nothing quite like sweet, sweet vengeance, eh benzo?

the fact that people died is tragic, and deserved of justice. listing them here is useless because it serves nothing but to inflame emotions and restrict substantive debate.

an eye for an eye is not how you conduct international relations if your country is founded on the rule of law and jurisprudence.
It's not about an eye for an eye. Some might think it is and react as though it is, but that's not really what's going on here. He was guilty of mass murder and was the head of a whackjob terrorist organization. You take him out. It's as simple as that. No need for a trial, no need to keep him around. No need to get answers. He was clear about what he'd done, why he did it and what his ultimate goal was.
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Goering was a) not the Fuhrer b) at that point viewed as a buffoon by a lot of Germans and Nazis and c) claimed at trial that he was not anti-semitic, and that he didn't believe the accounts of the atrocities. He had very little support.
Oooh, we're going to play semantics.

I believe Goering actually ends up in charge and regardless of what he said, there are numerous documents to support otherwise (go ahead and read them, some fascinating stuff).

The idea that he was viewed as a buffoon by a lot of Germans is news to me. Which germans? Middle class? Elites? Former Nazi party members? Who exactly?

And even if true, Tojo, who was the PM of Japan at that point was placed on trial from an even more fanatical anti-US country. Where was the uprising?
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to be fair, the taliban and al-qaeda share just as much blood as the US do in the middle east. 30,000 (just a number) might have died during the occupation, but a large percentage of those deaths are from insurgent activities against the local population or causalities of the civilian population from attacks against the occupying forces.

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yep....every single person has Bin Laden to blame
Really? It's that simple now?
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It's not about an eye for an eye. Some might think it is and react as though it is, but that's not really what's going on here. He was guilty of mass murder and was the head of a whackjob terrorist organization. You take him out. It's as simple as that. No need for a trial, no need to keep him around. No need to get answers. He was clear about what he'd done, why he did it and what his ultimate goal was.
sweet. it's awesome for the forces of righteousness to be able to take out people when they don't like 'em. i hope they give us a clear list of who is take-out-able, or at least what makes someone eligible for takeoutability.
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Oooh, we're going to play semantics.

I believe Goering actually ends up in charge and regardless of what he said, there are numerous documents to support otherwise (go ahead and read them, some fascinating stuff).

The idea that he was viewed as a buffoon by a lot of Germans is news to me. Which germans? Middle class? Elites? Former Nazi party members? Who exactly?

And even if true, Tojo, who was the PM of Japan at that point was placed on trial from an even more fanatical anti-US country. Where was the uprising?
Middle class, elites, former Nazis. And this was a continuation of how he was viewed during the latter part of the war. He basically hid himself away after he fell out of Hitler's inner circle - on the Obersalzberg and elsewhere - with his stash of plundered art and his morphine.
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