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Old 07-30-2008, 10:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I know there's a thread about whether or not pro athletes should be in the olympics or not. However, this is maybe a bit different.

If you were an athlete, would you compete in the Beijing Olympics? Why or why not? Personally, these would be an olympics I would skip over however I'm curious as to the other opinions.
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Old 07-30-2008, 10:55 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Political stances aside, I wouldn't only because I couldn't breathe with all the smog in that country. I mean, they've made an attempt to help the air quality over the last year with shutting down industrial factories, getting people to cut back on driving their vehicles, etc. ... but a little too late now. I personally think these Olympics are going to be a disaster from a performance perspective.
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I would. I would get to compete for the thing I love and I'm best at. I get to meet new people over there, maybe get some fame. And on top of that, visit the great country of China
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I would agree with Doc's sentiments regarding the air quality. It is horrendous and I was just reading an article on CBC.ca where the government has TWELVE days listed as "blue sky" days. Consdiering that they're planning on shutting down almost all of the industrial production and almost all automobile use I can see this being a massive strain on the Chinese domestic economy and also the global economy as well (how many of our products today might come from the nearby regions).

Politically as well, it would motivate me not to go. The tibet issue is a massive issue, however, more importantly, has anyone at all mentioned Taiwan and the issues the Chinese government to this day has with the independent state? The fact that they're still pointing missiles there? Do we just turn a blind eye and say it's ok for two weeks?

As an athlete, out of principle I wouldn't participate in these games. Couldn't do it because if we stand for freedom of expression and belief and all that jazz, then how can you simply go to a state which essentially laughs in the face of these ideologies?
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Political stances aside, I wouldn't only because I couldn't breathe with all the smog in that country. I mean, they've made an attempt to help the air quality over the last year with shutting down industrial factories, getting people to cut back on driving their vehicles, etc. ... but a little too late now. I personally think these Olympics are going to be a disaster from a performance perspective.
the sad thing is thousands of people have lost they jobs in a couple of months just so the athletes have a better air to breeze.
This games are embarrasing, I would probably compete to try not to mix politics and sports, but if western countries have little respect for the individual, China has even less.
Have yo seen the "8 donts" rule. Embarrasing.
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Taking into consideration the eviromental status there, how many records do you think will be broken? I don't think we'll see too many broken this summer.
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I would agree with Doc's sentiments regarding the air quality. It is horrendous and I was just reading an article on CBC.ca where the government has TWELVE days listed as "blue sky" days. Consdiering that they're planning on shutting down almost all of the industrial production and almost all automobile use I can see this being a massive strain on the Chinese domestic economy and also the global economy as well (how many of our products today might come from the nearby regions).

Politically as well, it would motivate me not to go. The tibet issue is a massive issue, however, more importantly, has anyone at all mentioned Taiwan and the issues the Chinese government to this day has with the independent state? The fact that they're still pointing missiles there? Do we just turn a blind eye and say it's ok for two weeks?

As an athlete, out of principle I wouldn't participate in these games. Couldn't do it because if we stand for freedom of expression and belief and all that jazz, then how can you simply go to a state which essentially laughs in the face of these ideologies?

China has no respect for their citizens. Western countries have no respect for other countries citizens. Its the same to me.
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China has no respect for their citizens. Western countries have no respect for other countries citizens. Its the same to me.
I would agree and disagree. The government of China has no respect for their OR the citizens of anyone else to be honest. The only people they respect are people who hold any wealth.

The West is a term I've begun to hate because of it's vagueness. I would tend to agree on some level, that the majority of the G8 countries have some selfish attitudes. However, evidence does exist that these same countries also do ALOT of good and respect the values of other citizens as well (globalization demands it) but many times it is very much ignored by popular outlets.

The big difference between here and there however is that here for instance I can hold my own opinion, argue it in public etc. There, it's one big company line.
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I would agree and disagree. The government of China has no respect for their OR the citizens of anyone else to be honest. The only people they respect are people who hold any wealth.

The West is a term I've begun to hate because of it's vagueness. I would tend to agree on some level, that the majority of the G8 countries have some selfish attitudes. However, evidence does exist that these same countries also do ALOT of good and respect the values of other citizens as well (globalization demands it) but many times it is very much ignored by popular outlets.

The big difference between here and there however is that here for instance I can hold my own opinion, argue it in public etc. There, it's one big company line.

Again we basically agree. Its obvious that the freedom we have in our countries wont be reached in countries like China for a long time. But I think the way our economies and theirs treats the world is equally bad and ours probably has damaged even more. They consume their workers to death. We consume our workers a lot, and consume the rest of the world to death.
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The number of issues arising within weeks of these Olympics is simply outrageous.

The air quality is downright unnacceptable. I was viewing pictures of downtown Beijing as recently as yesterday, and it's just ridiculous. The air pollution index (I think that's what it's called) is supposedly hovering around 100, and apparently 50 is considered healthy in most countries.

Also, journalists are not being given the right to total information accessibility, as they have found plenty of sites blocked by the Chinese Government (including places like Amnesty International, the BBC's Chinese language site, and most humorously, Fire Joe Morgan)

Both of these issues are in direct conflict with promises China made prior to being awarded the Olympics. Yet the IOC, predictably, can't really do anything at this point.

Now, if I'm an athlete with a lower public profile than a Michael Phelps or a Lebron James (guys who a) can afford to miss an Olympics and b) have the ability to affect change moreso than most) I still go, because the shelf life of an Olympic athlete is way too short. Most of these Canadian athletes are students or hold other jobs, and dedicate their personal lives to training in sports that offer little monetary compensation or career potential. Most also have one, maybe two chances to go to the Olympics in their life, and as it represents the apex of their craft, it's hard to expect anyone to pass it up.

But attention does need to be drawn to the fact that the Chinese Government's promises made to get the Olympics have been shown to be a total farce. A couple athlete boycotts would certainly do that trick, although I'm thinking that the American media should have us covered on that front.
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forget the government, the olympics are for the people.

if i were good enough to represent my country, i'd do it with pride

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if any athlete uses the olympics as a political stage for air quality or tears for tibet, i hope they're banned for life.
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So easy to say you would skip it when you arent the one that invested the massive amounts of time, taxpayer/family/personal $ and crazy dedication to get to the pinacle of your sport only to skip it and perhaps not make it in 4 years. On top of the fact most olympic sports are only watched by the masses during the Olympics, chance to get fame, endorsement $ and perhaps become a national hero. Seriously, you would have to be a moron to self boycott, but i guess it easy from your armchairs :P
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I have never been so un-hyped for an Olympic Games in my life.

Someone give me a reason to care.
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I have never been so un-hyped for an Olympic Games in my life.

Someone give me a reason to care.
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So easy to say you would skip it when you arent the one that invested the massive amounts of time, taxpayer/family/personal $ and crazy dedication to get to the pinacle of your sport only to skip it and perhaps not make it in 4 years. On top of the fact most olympic sports are only watched by the masses during the Olympics, chance to get fame, endorsement $ and perhaps become a national hero. Seriously, you would have to be a moron to self boycott, but i guess it easy from your armchairs :P
Or an individual with a mind of his own. It all depends on perspective.
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this is ridiculous actually.
so you're saying that an athlete that has trained his/her whole life, put in years of training, money (their own, and borrowed), time, life - everything. All of this for a chance (an honor actually) to compete for your country at the olympics would back out just because its being held in China?
i dont think so.

poor tibet, poor air quality and poor chinese citizens!
i'll boycott half of my life and all my hard work for you poor bastards!
thats complete bullshit.
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Or an individual with a mind of his own. It all depends on perspective.
i'd rather swallow my pride then let all of my family, friends, and country down
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this is ridiculous actually.
so you're saying that an athlete that has trained his/her whole life, put in years of training, money (their own, and borrowed), time, life - everything. All of this for a chance (an honor actually) to compete for your country at the olympics would back out just because its being held in China?
i dont think so.

poor tibet, poor air quality and poor chinese citizens!
i'll boycott half of my life and all my hard work for you poor bastards!
thats complete bullshit.
Exactly.

Who cares? China's a great country. I couldn't care less if it was in the Arctic, because, as insider stated, all you're training and exercise would be not worth it. Summer Olympics only come every 4 years. So if you skip one year when you're, say, 26 because it's in China, think about the next Olympics, you'll be 30 already and way out of shape.
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you'll be 30 already and way out of shape.
As as 30+ year old, I resent this statement. Too bad it's true.
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Out of politic issues, the air quality is a big issue for all the sportmen or women that run Marathon and other type of sports done out of closed places. Some of those sportmen/women have said that after running there, their expectorations were black.

The second thing I have against them is what is happenning with the Spanish bb team: they haven't a place where make the practices till the Games begin, and they (spaniards) are still looking for one, and they have already had to change their traveling plan. http://www.as.com/baloncesto/articul...asdaibal_1/Tes

If they cannot give the sportmen/women one place to practice, how the hell China got the Games?
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