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Old 12-25-2010, 03:37 PM   #181 (permalink)
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lakatos' argument was superior to feyerabend's. any good rationalist already includes an examination of the irrational under the umbrella of a comprehensive rational analysis. so it's not a new acceptance that's needed, but a broad and inclusive analysis. and in the end, whatever helps you find truth.
of course. That goes without saying. Well that - and I'm a little lakatos intolerant.
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Old 01-08-2011, 04:37 PM   #182 (permalink)
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Anybody here ever read A History of God by Karen Armstrong?

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Old 03-02-2011, 11:28 PM   #183 (permalink)
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religion is a belief, so is god, and god has never been truly proven. there are however some dismal facts behind the aforementioned proving it thus religion and god can be indicated as a theory, like the [theoryof evolution. arguments supporting either side are both null and void. let people believe what they want to believe. as long as religion and politics remain separate, the main problem with religion is being evaded thus let the people believe what they want and dont beat them up for it. you may think religion is stupid for whichever of your reasons, but theres no need to say it out loud unless you can fully prove what you believe in and/or fully disprove religion. i hate how society makes it a debate when it shouldnt be. a belief is a belief. let it rest. most important thing-dont turn your govenrment into a religous one(see crisis in iran)
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Old 03-03-2011, 09:33 AM   #184 (permalink)
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religion is a belief, so is god, and god has never been truly proven. there are however some dismal facts behind the aforementioned proving it thus religion and god can be indicated as a theory, like the [theoryof evolution. arguments supporting either side are both null and void. let people believe what they want to believe. as long as religion and politics remain separate, the main problem with religion is being evaded thus let the people believe what they want and dont beat them up for it. you may think religion is stupid for whichever of your reasons, but theres no need to say it out loud unless you can fully prove what you believe in and/or fully disprove religion. i hate how society makes it a debate when it shouldnt be. a belief is a belief. let it rest. most important thing-dont turn your govenrment into a religous one(see crisis in iran)
If people are doing dumb, horrible shit in the name of their religion, it needs to be debated. It's not harmless.
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Old 03-16-2011, 03:02 PM   #185 (permalink)
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Old 03-21-2011, 04:17 PM   #186 (permalink)
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If god exists, I'm positive that he/she would hate religion.
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Old 03-21-2011, 04:41 PM   #187 (permalink)
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If you refuse to go to church to learn about Jesus, why do you celebrate his holidays?
Oh, sorry. I didn't know Jesus had the rights to them.

Believing in Jesus is the same as believing in Santa. Theres no proof, there's books about them, each has people who believe. Jesus is just a more popular Santa.
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Old 03-21-2011, 05:10 PM   #188 (permalink)
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Question: What do atheists think happen to mortals when they die?
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Old 03-21-2011, 05:12 PM   #189 (permalink)
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Old 03-21-2011, 05:13 PM   #190 (permalink)
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Old 03-21-2011, 05:19 PM   #191 (permalink)
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i take comfort in understanding reality, not in buying into make believe. i'm fine with rotting and living a life that makes me happy and does good things until that rot happens. i see no reason to live a different kind of life because someone has a fairy tale that describes some fantastic possibility.

to turn the table, if i told you i had a belief system that said that the afterlife was even better than the christian heaven, would you drop your allegiance and switch to my version? if not, i question how important the time after death really is to your allegiance.
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Old 03-21-2011, 05:20 PM   #192 (permalink)
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Slow clap for Dark Knight. Not getting infuriated at all this is easy, if you're on his end.

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Old 03-21-2011, 05:26 PM   #193 (permalink)
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one thing that dk has never done in this conversation is to get infuriated. or even riled up. dude has a good head on his shoulders, and i dare say has contributed a lot more to this conversation than you have alex.

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Old 03-21-2011, 05:27 PM   #194 (permalink)
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i take comfort in understanding reality, not in buying into make believe. i'm fine with rotting and living a life that makes me happy and does good things until that rot happens. i see no reason to live a different kind of life because someone has a fairy tale that describes some fantastic possibility.

to turn the table, if i told you i had a belief system that said that the afterlife was even better than the christian heaven, would you drop your allegiance and switch to my version? if not, i question how important the time after death really is to your allegiance.
Well, I don't about you, but I'm more comfortable with the possibility of going to heaven rather than just living in oblivion for the rest of eternity. Maybe I'm alone on this one, I dunno.

Fact is we can argue all we want, but neither of us will no who is right or wrong until the time comes when we die. There very well could not be a God and I'd have wasted 15 years worth of Sunday. We don't know until we are dead, and by that time, there is no way of coming back on this board to preach the truth.
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Old 03-21-2011, 05:32 PM   #195 (permalink)
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i hear what you are saying dk, but the sticking point for me is that there could be all kinds of possibilities - christian, muslim, hindu, zeus, etc - what makes you so sure yours is right? i would suggest that you've just bought into the myth you were fed without any evidence to back it up. in fact that only thing backing it up is the threat if eternal hellfire. and that's what's so wrong about the church. they get people to believe through coercion. that's all they have.

i don't believe in eternity, nor do i believe that humans are any more important than trees or stones. in the vastness of reality, why us on this small planet with these fantastical myths that are not supported by evidence or by history? it makes no sense. and the only reason anyone believes is that they fear going to hell or, more specifically, not going to heaven. that is not a reasonable foundation for belief. that's just fear.
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Old 03-21-2011, 05:35 PM   #196 (permalink)
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Sorry I type out my post extremely bad. Re read it. Few typos change the whole message I was trying to convey...
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Old 03-21-2011, 05:52 PM   #197 (permalink)
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i hear what you are saying dk, but the sticking point for me is that there could be all kinds of possibilities - christian, muslim, hindu, zeus, etc - what makes you so sure yours is right? i would suggest that you've just bought into the myth you were fed without any evidence to back it up. in fact that only thing backing it up is the threat if eternal hellfire. and that's what's so wrong about the church. they get people to believe through coercion. that's all they have.
Honestly, I don't know. But I heard somewhere that most religions are loosely based on the same subject, and that is that one immortal being created the land and earth. At least I think, don't quote me on that ...

And I hear what you are saying here about coercion. I volunteer at a children's Christian youth program as a helper every Wednesday and sometimes it just baffles me how much they shove the religion down the kids throats. Religion is a personal belief and shouldn't be forced upon another being. But sometimes atheism can be just as bad, if not worse in some circumstances. For example, evolution.

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i don't believe in eternity, nor do i believe that humans are any more important than trees or stones. in the vastness of reality, why us on this small planet with these fantastical myths that are not supported by evidence or by history? it makes no sense. and the only reason anyone believes is that they fear going to hell or, more specifically, not going to heaven. that is not a reasonable foundation for belief. that's just fear.
Well, not to be a stickler or anything, but some proof of bible stories has started to trickle in in the past few years. Noah's Ark for example:

Noah's Ark Found in Turkey?

EDIT: Not to say that story is true or anything. It hasn't been confirmed that that is truely Noah's Ark...

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DK, you need to take more time to read this and not just search out stories that confirm what you want to be true. The Noah's Ark search has been an archaelogical joke for years. The locals want them out, but Christians will not give up the search for something, anything that will confirm what they want to be true.

Second, to the extent that monotheism is dominant (which it isn't), that has been gained mostly by force. The good, moral monotheists of previous generations killed and ostracized open polytheists. Again, some historical understanding would go a long way here.

Can you give me an example of atheism or evolution being shoved down someone's throat? Keep in mind that there is no relationship of necessity between atheism and evolution; you can have one without the other.
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Also, your first clue that there is something fishy about a story is when it is run by Nat Geo. Not the best when it comes to science reporting.

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That Noah's Ark article reads like something straight out of the Onion.
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