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Old 03-09-2010, 10:13 AM   #21 (permalink)
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What the writer was trying to say was that Canadians had Canadian flags all over the place seemingly promoting Canada, not the games. There were no "rings" to be seen.

Have a look at films of the 36 games. Swastikas everywhere.

A visual comparison only.
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that's like saying halle berry and gabourey sidibe look the same because they both have black hair.
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Old 03-09-2010, 10:42 AM   #23 (permalink)
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My guess is the reporter has been to other Olympic games and it has been "all about the games". You have to admit, the Canadian pride was front and center for most of these games. And people that were there would tell you the same.

Obviously Canada doesnt have the sinister motives that the Nazis had. And this is the first person I have heard of that had a problem with that.

This reminds me of a conversation I had with Knickschick and her sister. I asked her what Americans think of Canadians. She said "You guys all think you are better than us". I responded that was correct and thats because we are better than them. Health care, we dont send our kids to political wars, more liberty and freedoms, etc. In the end, she agreed. We have all that is great about the US and more.

Thats the pride that was on display. It just caught people off guard because it was always a quiet pride.

In 1936, Nazi Germany was "proud" as well and wanted to tell the world that they had found the secret to superiority. That aryan people were far superior. Jesse Owens kind of pooped on that.

Anyways. It was just a visual comparison and a "beating of the chest" pride comparison. No one was saying we want to slaughter Jews or anything like that.
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in 1936, the point of the nazi propoganda was a great deal more than pride. it was the beginnings of a philosophy of conquering and domination that led soon after to the annexing of poland and the march to take over europe as part of a germanic manifest destiny. that propoganda was about domination, both within germany and outwardly around the globe. it was a sign of repression, of dictatorship, of a stranglehold on media and culture. it was about alienating those that don't belong under that flag and telling the world that the swastika stood for an exclusive germany, bound to old hatreds and a quest for power. it was about national and cultural superiority manifested as forced subservience.

in canada it was about civic pride. about healthy competition and sport. about celebrating our openness and our diversity. it was about bringing together disparate peoples under one flag that stood for unity in difference.

to compare the two because both displayed flags and not rings is completely absurd. it is the most superficial possible comparison, like pointing to two women that have the same hair colour and suggesting that they are alike.
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We are on the same page 'trane. Pretty sure thats exactly what I said.

If it isnt, it's what I meant.
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i am disagreeing wholeheartedly with your observation that it is an "accurate comparison" and that somehow 'pride' is an appropriate description of the sentiment in 1936.
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i still fail to see how this Olympics was a big change from other games in the past. I mean most of us here watched the Canadian broadcasts where they showed the games under more of a Canadian light. Same goes for the American broadcasts and how they used an American angle.

I remember Chinese support and fans were out in full force for the Beijing games, as was the Australian in Sydney and the American support in Salt lake and Atlanta. I guess the two that played down the home nation flag waving were Turin and Athens - but you can also say that the fact that their olympic athletes weren't as successful probably had a hand in that.

I really don't get this treatment that the Vancouver games got. It seemed very "Olympic" to me when i watched.
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The reporters take was the people in the streets that seemed to be celebrating Canada rather than the Olympics. I have no problem with this.

And that is their ONLY comparison. If you want to think they were implying that we are trying to push a political agenda ect down everyones throat, you are free to do so.

This reminds me of when then Mayor Mel Lastman got in "hot water" when he said about his trip to Africa that he hoped they didnt put him in a pot of boiling water and eat him. Yes, African tribes did do this but, as you can imagine, the out cry was "Lastman thinks all Blacks are savages". I suggested that if Mel had said , going to France, that he hoped they wouldnt cut off his head in a guillotine, that there would be no problem...or that in England that they wouldnt cut his head off in the city square. You need to keep track of what is politically correct.

And Nazis will never be politically correct.

If the reporter had compared us to the Barcelona Olympics (assuming there was Spanish Flags everywhere...I dont recall) , then there wouldnt be a single problem.
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The reporters take was the people in the streets that seemed to be celebrating Canada rather than the Olympics. I have no problem with this.

And that is their ONLY comparison. If you want to think they were implying that we are trying to push a political agenda ect down everyones throat, you are free to do so.

This reminds me of when then Mayor Mel Lastman got in "hot water" when he said about his trip to Africa that he hoped they didnt put him in a pot of boiling water and eat him. Yes, African tribes did do this but, as you can imagine, the out cry was "Lastman thinks all Blacks are savages". I suggested that if Mel had said , going to France, that he hoped they wouldnt cut off his head in a guillotine, that there would be no problem...or that in England that they wouldnt cut his head off in the city square. You need to keep track of what is politically correct.

And Nazis will never be politically correct.

If the reporter had compared us to the Barcelona Olympics (assuming there was Spanish Flags everywhere...I dont recall) , then there wouldnt be a single problem.
both mel lastman and the writer of that article displayed a profound ignorance of the deep meaning of the words they were using and the impact of those histories on people who might be reading/listening. of course nazi's will never be politically correct. comparing any modern democratic nation to them is ludicrous. of course you won't get put in a pot of boiling water if you go to africa. the suggestion is offensive. you say those things as a public figure or a journalist and you deserve to be publicly mocked. there is no value in those statements. it has nothing to do with what is 'politically correct' and everything to do with what words and histories mean. this isn't a flavour of the month thing, it is an issue of respect.

and i'm also willing to be that if you made that guillotine comment there would be an outcry in france. they have a deep understanding of their history too, and as i understand it, it doesn't include celebration of robespierre or the reign of terror.
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The reporters take was the people in the streets that seemed to be celebrating Canada rather than the Olympics. I have no problem with this.

And that is their ONLY comparison. If you want to think they were implying that we are trying to push a political agenda ect down everyones throat, you are free to do so.

This reminds me of when then Mayor Mel Lastman got in "hot water" when he said about his trip to Africa that he hoped they didnt put him in a pot of boiling water and eat him. Yes, African tribes did do this but, as you can imagine, the out cry was "Lastman thinks all Blacks are savages". I suggested that if Mel had said , going to France, that he hoped they wouldnt cut off his head in a guillotine, that there would be no problem...or that in England that they wouldnt cut his head off in the city square. You need to keep track of what is politically correct.

And Nazis will never be politically correct.

If the reporter had compared us to the Barcelona Olympics (assuming there was Spanish Flags everywhere...I dont recall) , then there wouldnt be a single problem.
In spain patriotism (flag and anthem) its almost a taboo because of its "old" links to fascism and how much independism we have. Spaniards are very "proud" about being spanish but not a lot of times you will see it manifest through flags or the anthem. This is changing a little lately but I myself would never wear the flag of any country anyway. I hate patriotism, I love parts of my culture and hate others, but I would never say Im proud of being from one country, (being born a mix of cultures helps I guess)

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Agreed. Bottom line, dont bring up Nazis or Africans or any other tragic history in a light hearted fashion.

Reporter will learn this lesson.
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Oddly enough, the olympics had been run by a former fascist for years, and those ties continue today. There is so much stupid and largely meaningless symbolism involved in the games that it makes the reporters inane comparison almost entirely fitting somehow.
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I love the headline: "In these Olympics, Canadians only paid attention to Canada" ... right, because Americans pay attention to every other in the world in addition to America. What crap.

Having been in American for almost 2.5 weeks now, I really cannot wait to come back home to my wonderful Canadians.
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In spain patriotism (flag and anthem) its almost a taboo because of its "old" links to fascism and how much independism we have. Spaniards are very "proud" about being spanish but not a lot of times you will see it manifest through flags or the anthem. This is changing a little lately but I myself would never wear the flag of any country anyway. I hate patriotism, I love parts of my culture and hate others, but I would never say Im proud of being from one country, (being born a mix of cultures helps I guess)
Interesting Bel.... I don't know how much Madrid differs from smaller places in Spain but one thing that I really liked about Mallorca when I was there was that they were SO supportive of their athletes' accomplishments. In pretty much every corner store that I went into there were newspaper clippings of Nadal, the Spanish football team, Gasol etc... and when Spain won Euro the people there were going nuts with flags and shirts and the whole garb... yellow and red everywhere.

I thought it was pretty neat.
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Interesting Bel.... I don't know how much Madrid differs from smaller places in Spain but one thing that I really liked about Mallorca when I was there was that they were SO supportive of their athletes' accomplishments. In pretty much every corner store that I went into there were newspaper clippings of Nadal, the Spanish football team, Gasol etc... and when Spain won Euro the people there were going nuts with flags and shirts and the whole garb... yellow and red everywhere.

I thought it was pretty neat.
yeah, well people are veeeery pasionate for their athletes here. It has its good things and bad. We pretty much have 0 violence in sports but people tend to be very blind about those athletes. It seems like theres always a world conspiracy againts them. The Eurocup was different, you were a witness of how big that was then. The past 4 or 5 years its being changing, not so much anti-flag sentiment thanks probably to all this success in sports wich is taking out the fascist meaning that wearing a flag meant. You were in Mallorca too, thats like Madrid, doesnt have anything to do with the rest of Spain. You wont see many spanish flags in Barcelona for example.

But still, here if you see someone with a tshirt that has the spanish flag in any part, theres a good chance this person is not a fascist maybe, but a very right wing, very conservative person. So to summ it up, flag related to sports=no problem. Flag for no reason=probably a person with ideas from the past.
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yeah, well people are veeeery pasionate for their athletes here. It has its good things and bad. We pretty much have 0 violence in sports but people tend to be very blind about those athletes. It seems like theres always a world conspiracy againts them. The Eurocup was different, you were a witness of how big that was then. The past 4 or 5 years its being changing, not so much anti-flag sentiment thanks probably to all this success in sports wich is taking out the fascist meaning that wearing a flag meant. You were in Mallorca too, thats like Madrid, doesnt have anything to do with the rest of Spain. You wont see many spanish flags in Barcelona for example.

But still, here if you see someone with a tshirt that has the spanish flag in any part, theres a good chance this person is not a fascist maybe, but a very right wing, very conservative person. So to summ it up, flag related to sports=no problem. Flag for no reason=probably a person with ideas from the past.
Thanks for the clarification Bel... interesting stuff again.

What do you mean though when you say that "Mallorca and Madrid aren't really part of Spain"? Why is that? Greater influx of foreigners in those cities when compared with others?
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the nazis were fantastic organizers
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i really don't think that's true. they have a reputation for that, but it only looked organized because mistakes were punishable by death. try creating that much organization without wielding a big stick. it's a lot harder.

anyways, their 'organization', such as it was, had them run out of money, scramble together to find solutions that had little to no foresight, and have everything unravel under pressure. doesn't sound like it worked to me.
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I live just off Robson, and I can't disagree with the author's sentiments. It was actually fairly annoying; I was looking forward to meeting people from all over, but it was basically Canadians repeating the most vexing, unintelligent chant imagineable, and incessantly too. That chant being "Ca-na-da, Ca-na-da"... I seriously thought I was surrounded by a bunch of neaderthals at certain juntures.
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I live just off Robson, and I can't disagree with the author's sentiments. It was actually fairly annoying; I was looking forward to meeting people from all over, but it was basically Canadians repeating the most vexing, unintelligent chant imagineable, and incessantly too. That chant being "Ca-na-da, Ca-na-da"... I seriously thought I was surrounded by a bunch of neaderthals at certain juntures.
Then i guess you don't frequent Hockey games. Because you would have been used to it by then.
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