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Old 08-18-2009, 03:21 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Yeah, I really don't understand all the fuss about centralized healthcare. Conservatives just add fuel to the fire by calling this "socialist" (as if being socialist is almost on par with burning babies). Umm, the police, the fire dept., and the post office (a few examples) are all agencies that we pay for.

I haven't read up on this issue at all basically, but I don't see why someone wouldn't support it. As I see it, the hospitals that become "universal" or whatever you want to call it should cater to patients with no surplus money/not too serious injuries. There should also be private hospitals that charge their own rates and have a license to do whatever they want, which should be reserved for people with no time to wait for something like a heart transplant. Granted, I'm not sure if Obama's plan allows for this, but to me it seems like a no brainer; the best of both worlds.
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I haven't read up on this issue at all basically, but I don't see why someone wouldn't support it. As I see it, the hospitals that become "universal" or whatever you want to call it should cater to patients with no surplus money/not too serious injuries. There should also be private hospitals that charge their own rates and have a license to do whatever they want, which should be reserved for people with no time to wait for something like a heart transplant. Granted, I'm not sure if Obama's plan allows for this, but to me it seems like a no brainer; the best of both worlds.
except that this would mean that rich people have access to better and faster health care than poor people, which in my mind is not at all equitable.
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Old 08-18-2009, 03:37 PM   #23 (permalink)
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except that this would mean that rich people have access to better and faster health care than poor people, which in my mind is not at all equitable.
Everything has become less equitable over the last three decades, not only down there, but pretty much everywhere. If they actually lessen the gap without making medical treatment entirely equitable, then that would be a big directional change. It also seems to be an impossibility. The rich must get richer it would seem.
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Old 08-18-2009, 04:21 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Sorry to rain on your parade Clubmed but Turkey has far from the best hospitals in Europe, the most advanced 'best' hospitals are German University hospitals, followed closely by those in Norway and Belgium.
An as for whining for no reason, i already said i appreciated the system we have here in Canada despite its flaws, albeit the biggest flaws are the huge unwarranted salaries being paid out to the heads of regional healthcare, not necessarily the long waiting times.
Medication is not cheap in Canada, a 1 month dose of corticosteriods is over 150$, which is 80% paid for by my insurance, before i had insurance through my job i was unable to have the luxury of this drug and had to rely on ventolin. Is it the same for cancer treatments, i dont know, but it certainly is not 3$.
The healthcare system in Canada is certainly better than many other countries but that does not mean that complaints cannot be made, when hundreds of patients are wrongly diagnosed and misprescribed drugs, as has recently happened with women right across the country in cancer breast scans, people better complain to make sure things are improved, which they will be as a direct result of complaints.
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Amen brother..
i guess somebodies got to feel for those without legs, beards and only living till their 27.
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Old 08-18-2009, 05:27 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Old 08-18-2009, 05:34 PM   #28 (permalink)
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It's not ignorance it's indifference, in that why care about something i have no control or influence over and can in no way change.
The constant whinning is tied directly to where i am from, in fact Scottish people are famous for being whinners, dont confuse that with winners, unless of course your talking about curling.
I guess your still young and naive hoping to change the world for the better, the day will come for you also when you realise you have to look out for no.1 and become a sad whinning pessimist like myself, you've even taken the first steps without knowing it by becoming a follower of the Raptors.
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It's not ignorance it's indifference, in that why care about something i have no control or influence over and can in no way change.
The constant whinning is tied directly to where i am from, in fact Scottish people are famous for being whinners, dont confuse that with winners, unless of course your talking about curling.
I guess your still young and naive hoping to change the world for the better, the day will come for you also when you realise you have to look out for no.1 and become a sad whinning pessimist like myself, you've even taken the first steps without knowing it by becoming a follower of the Raptors.
What a sad perspective on life. Sorry.

If everyone had such motives, we wouldn't have had such great movements like the Scientific Revolution, the Enlightenment, the French and American Revolutions etc.

Too many people feel that they don't have power and that lies only in the hands of the few. But we're too complacent and lazy to actually do something about it. Frankly, living my life like a selfish drone is something that will never appeal to me.
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Theres nothing sad about my life, i just realised i needed to get with the program and conform, and since conforming by returning to school to get my piece of paper i have a great life. I ride Whistler every weekend on a 7000$ bicycle, drive a nice car, have a nice condo with my wife of 10 years.
I've done more than my fair share of revolting against the system and participated in more protest marches than you can even imagine, and did anything come of any of it, the poll tax was still introduced after marching several times and going to many demos. I've been cremogen gassed in Quebec during the Americas Summit while protesting against the illegal occupation and war in Iraq.
So i am sorry Claud but days are a changing and its got nothing to do with laziness, there will be no more revolutions, not in the Western world, not when the government can send out armed police to break up any sign of civil disobedience and use their spin doctors to turn public opinion against anything they deem inappropriate.
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Old 08-18-2009, 06:24 PM   #31 (permalink)
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no one threatened to ban you club med, get over it. i'll try to find the idiot comment. apologies if we missed it.

edit - i edited that comment already clubmed. if you can find another i'd be happy to edit it as well if you have been offended.

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Old 08-19-2009, 01:07 PM   #32 (permalink)
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except that this would mean that rich people have access to better and faster health care than poor people, which in my mind is not at all equitable.

Yes, sadly, in Russia this translates to some people getting excellent healthcare, and other just marginal.

But look at it this way: the more you're able to pay for healthcare, the better insurance you can get, the better you are covered. Still, there are 46 million people (not including illegal immigrants) without insurance in the US. That's one out of every 6, about. That entitles them to absolutely absurd hospital bills. Is that equality?

There will always be a gap between the things that the rich can get and the poor can get, unfortunately. If the government was to regulate "socialized" hospitals/doctors, I am sure that they would have to meet certain standards that would allow the poor (and currently uninsured) to receive great healthcare for much, much less. It wont be what Bill Gates is getting, true, but it will be much better than what they have now. Personally, I think people have an obligation to strengthen their society, so I would have no problem with paying extra money just so I know a person who is less fortunate than I can get the aid that he/she needs.
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Old 08-19-2009, 01:14 PM   #33 (permalink)
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oh absolutely ar1815. that was my point.
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