American education is a snap shot
Old 08-11-2010, 06:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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America's educational system captured in a single photo - Yahoo! Canada News
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Old 08-11-2010, 07:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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always felt that this cartoon by Gary Larson perfectly illustrates the Canadian educational system as a whole

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Old 08-11-2010, 09:52 PM   #3 (permalink)
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hold up

we're reaming Bosh for calling toronto different...

yet we're going to allow ourselves to throw a blanket over a whole country because of (what looks like) an honest mistake?
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Old 08-11-2010, 10:21 PM   #4 (permalink)
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how the fuck is this about chris bosh?
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Old 08-11-2010, 10:22 PM   #5 (permalink)
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but he's right, I know a lot of pretty smart Americans
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that writer should be fired instantly. what an idiot.
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Old 08-11-2010, 10:30 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I've seen this stuff happen everywhere.
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Old 08-11-2010, 10:35 PM   #8 (permalink)
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but he's right, I know a lot of pretty smart Americans
i couldn't agree more with how you feel about what CB said, i'm just saying there's kinda sorta a double standard here.

also, for the record - i'm american, spent three years of my life there, and you know, i know how to spell school. a lot of my friends knew how to spell school.

that's all. i just find this a little offensive.
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i just find this a little offensive.
it is offensive. it's complete bullshit. that mistake has nothing to do with the american education system.

if it was a joke about not being able to name a province in canada, i'd get it. this is just very poor journalism.
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Old 08-11-2010, 10:38 PM   #10 (permalink)
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put your guns away, the writer isn't canadian. he's american and fully intitled to make fun of his own.
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put your guns away, the writer isn't canadian. he's american and fully intitled to make fun of his own.
even so..... it's not even close being funny.
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Old 08-11-2010, 10:41 PM   #12 (permalink)
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funny or not, it's not offensive. it's just irionic.
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Old 08-11-2010, 10:53 PM   #13 (permalink)
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hold up

we're reaming Bosh for calling toronto different...

yet we're going to allow ourselves to throw a blanket over a whole country because of (what looks like) an honest mistake?
Even the country as a whole know that their educational system is in the toilet. Their dropout rate is at about 50%. Canada's dropout rate is at about 18%.

This is from a couple years ago, but not much has really changed on the numbers.

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A report released Tuesday by an educational advocacy group founded by retired general and former Bush administration Secretary of State Colin Powell finds that almost half of all public high school students in the US’ fifty largest cities fail to graduate.

The report states that only 52 percent of public high school students in these cities graduate after four years, while the national average is 70 percent. Some 1.2 million public high school students drop out every year, according to researchers.

The report finds that, overall, 17 of the public school systems in 50 major cities have graduation rates of 50 percent or lower, and the average graduation rate of all 50 systems is 58 percent. The findings are based on federal Department of Education statistics for the 2003-2004 school year.

The study, sponsored by America’s Promise Alliance and prepared by the Editorial Projects in Education Research Center, also shows a staggering difference between the drop-out rates in major urban school districts and those in adjoining and more affluent suburban districts. Overall, high school graduation rates are 15 percentage points lower in urban schools as compared to those in the suburbs. In twelve cities, the disparities exceed 25 percentage points.

In some cases, the gap between the cities, with their large concentrations of working class and poor residents, and the suburbs is even greater. The widest discrepancies cited in the report are in Baltimore, Maryland, where only 34.6 percent of public high school students graduate, and its suburbs, where 81.5 percent acquire diplomas after four years, and in Columbus, Ohio, with a graduation rate of 40.9 percent as compared to 82.9 percent in the suburbs.

The city-suburb split is also immense in such metropolitan centers as New York (47.4 percent vs. 82.9 percent), Cleveland (42.2 percent vs. 78.1 percent), Philadelphia (49.2 percent vs. 82.4 percent), Chicago (55.7 percent vs. 84.1 percent), Los Angeles (57.1 percent vs. 77.9 percent), and Atlanta (46.1 percent vs. 61.8 percent).

A separate chart showing the graduation rates for the principal school districts in the 50 largest US cities points to the virtual collapse of public education in major urban centers.
High school drop-out rate in major US cities at nearly 50 percent
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the education itself isn't the first problem or even the second problem. it's just scratching the surface. there are many more things, way more, leading to these drop out rates.
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Old 08-12-2010, 01:29 AM   #15 (permalink)
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folks, read the article again...and think a little

if there is an education system to blame it should be the Mexican one
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folks, read the article again...and think a little

if there is an education system to blame it should be the Mexican one
Always blaming the mexican....
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Old 08-12-2010, 03:45 AM   #17 (permalink)
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the education itself isn't the first problem or even the second problem. it's just scratching the surface. there are many more things, way more, leading to these drop out rates.
Yes. Good call. And, even though he didn't post the relevant sections, Jeff's article actually touches on that.

Here is another quote from that article:

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Rick Dalton, president of College for Every Student, a Vermont group that helps low-income students prepare for college, said the urban-suburban divergence “just speaks to the crisis in the US. It is about income. Family income drives it all.”

The study also notes that drop-out rates are substantially higher for blacks and other minorities. It states: “The gaps between whites and historically disadvantaged minority groups can reach as high as 25 percentage point nationally.”
In many ways, the United States is like 2 countries. The US has some of the best schools, universities, hospitals, employment opportunities...etc..in the world, but a significant segment of the population never obtain access to those things.

If you have a high quality insurance plan, then you have access to fantastic medical care in the US. If you're poor or you don't have quality insurance, you run the risk of getting worse medical care than you'd get in a 2nd world country.

The top American universities are EXTREMELY expensive. An Ivy league school can cost in the area of $40,000 a year (that includes basic living expenses). Other top schools outside the Ivy league, like Michigan or something comparable, still cost around $20,000 a year or more. If you or your parents have money, you can afford to go to a solid university. If you're poor, the chances of you gainng access to one of those universities is very slim. If you have potential and work your ass off, you might get lucky and receive a generous scholarship. Maybe.

And the university/college people go to can open doors to future employment opportunities. This is more true of the US than Canada. Certain schools have far more respect. The US has soooooo many universities. Consequently, there is a considerable gap between the top schools and the lower ones, both in terms of the quality of the education and the perception of the schools. And the latter (perception of the schools) ultimately influences the types of job opportunities available upon graduation from university.

There is a bit of cyclical nature to this. It doesn't affect Canadians to the same degree. The US pwns Canada if we're talking about things a rich family can access. Canada pwns the US if we're talking about quality of living for an average middle class family.
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