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Old 08-14-2010, 11:53 AM   #141 (permalink)
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What has happened to this place....have I been an absentee Admin for too long.....we may need to have a spring cleaning around here...

My head hurts...and half of this thread is nonsense pretension.
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Old 08-14-2010, 11:56 AM   #142 (permalink)
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Dude, relax.
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Old 08-14-2010, 12:08 PM   #143 (permalink)
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Dude, relax.
Ok.

I wasn't going to but......*takes admin hat off*

All you have said and done in this thread, is avoid questions, and preach. There is nothing on this planet more fucking annoying the a bloody "know-it-all" that really knows absolutely fucking nothing but uses big words and conjecture to hide the fact that, deep down inside he is a lonely man who probably didn't get hugged enough as a child....or perhaps too much. Wait there is something worse, somebody doing it on an internet forum.

FOr someone with all the mental and physical prowess of a modern day Greek God, you sure do waste alot of time explaining yourself.

A simple case of "I think doth protest to much"

You are clown....
I know you guys...I see you in bars....
Not the guys turning girls down, but the ones that have built up this asinine story in their head that they are too good for everyone so they sit there alone, and make themselves believe that "this is how it has to be, I am too good for these people".

*admin hat back on*

Finally before you decide to insult everyone on here, know that in here, you are nothing, nobody and can fall victim to the fact that me, "a nobody" who got hit by car broke 3 bones....CAN HAVE GONE BECAUSE I BLOODY WELL FEEL LIKE IT.

In short.....if you would like to stay around...you fucking "relax", if you don't just let me know and I can send you back to the imaginary place where you possess all the powers of Kypton's last son.
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Old 08-14-2010, 12:19 PM   #144 (permalink)
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Old 08-14-2010, 12:46 PM   #145 (permalink)
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Old 08-14-2010, 12:47 PM   #146 (permalink)
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Looks like I might have to bring this discussion to a close. Members are clearly losing emotional stability and good humor, with Benzo here engaging in what I would consider borderline trolling. I never attacked anyone personally, even doing what was obviously a little self parody at my own expense to lighten the mood, you guys took it the wrong way, and that's ok, I really do forgive all actions, you can always count on me for that.
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Old 08-14-2010, 12:53 PM   #147 (permalink)
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I'm jealous of Benzo's Admin Hat.

I feel like if I had an Admin Hat, I may have a better shot at attracting a husband.

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Old 08-14-2010, 01:01 PM   #148 (permalink)
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Looks like I might have to bring this discussion to a close. Members are clearly losing emotional stability and good humor, with Benzo here engaging in what I would consider borderline trolling. I never attacked anyone personally, even doing what was obviously a little self parody at my own expense to lighten the mood, you guys took it the wrong way, and that's ok, I really do forgive all actions, you can always count on me for that.
this is for all the admins, S mods and mods...
the only thing lacking here at RF (what i consider to be an excellent forum) is an ignore button
the people in charge here might want to consider it

oops sorry everyone....i found the ignore list...guess who i just added

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Old 08-14-2010, 01:38 PM   #149 (permalink)
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i'm not going to ask, but i'll insinuate that those against marriage were raised in sole-custody/joint-custody families.
That depends on who you're referring to. Do you mean "against" marriage in the sense that a person doesn't want it for themselves? Or do you mean people who think the idea is just ridiculous in general? It seems like some people here don't want it for themselves, but I don't recall anybody saying that they are "against" marriage existing or that we should get rid of it entirely. I acknowledge that it has tremendous value to some people, and I don't see that as a bad thing. If it makes certain people happy, then that's awesome. I'm glad they are happy.

But, since I don't particularly want marriage for myself (at least I can't picture it right now) and wish that people would stop pressuring others into believing it is for everyone, I'll respond to your insinuation.

No. My parents were married for over 40 years and I bet they would have surpassed 60 years if nature hadn't interfered (I am not that old. my mom was close to 40 when she gave birth to me).

However, I don't think marriage is for everybody. It is very unrealistic to expect every person to find that solid match. Some people are better off having a series of intimate relationships and close friends during their lifetime. Too many people are "settling" in order to find a spouse before they are 35. And then people wonder why the divorce rate is so high. In fact, you might have more successful marriages if there wasn't so much pressure on people to get married in the first place. For some people it takes time to find a really good match. It's more about finding the right person at the right time.

Edit - I forgot about one of SJ's earlier posts. He might actually be totally against marriage.

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Old 08-14-2010, 03:00 PM   #150 (permalink)
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So yeah, there you have it. Marriage 101
OK, come on now. Once again, your spiel is full of gross generalizations ... and, once again, as a woman, I take huge offense to this.

Not all women are like this at all ... I'm not, 'Cuda isn't ... must have something to do with the kind of people that you associate with.

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Old 08-14-2010, 05:57 PM   #151 (permalink)
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That Marriage 101 spiel is one sided and ignorant of history, sociology, psychology and cultural anthropology.

It takes the assumption that men and women view themselves as only irrational beings when in fact what seperates us from primates is rationality and the ability to (at times) control our irrational thoughts.

It also presumes that men and women subscribe to certain gender roles and limits these gender roles to only two, meanwhile there is plenty of evidence that manyt cultures have more than simply two genders and varying roles within them.

The role of marriage in socities can not be simply placed in one singluar vaccuum and then be said to apply to all socities. It's incorrect and only serves the purpose to support a narrow minded view. It's neglectful of socities with female dominance, it's neglectful of sexuality differences.

It reminds me of students I used to teach that would read one article on a subject and believe they became experts on a subject all the while neglecting that there are usually hundreds of opposing views or additional research.

But this shouldn't surprise me. In an era where a guy like Goldhagen is seen as a historical expert and sheep blindly cite him while neglecting other debates, it really shouldn't surprise me.
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Old 08-14-2010, 09:13 PM   #152 (permalink)
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Most hilarious thread yet.

Love it.
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Old 08-14-2010, 09:16 PM   #153 (permalink)
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Most hilarious thread yet.

Love it.
Nahhh, this thread has nothing on the thread about bowel movements.
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Old 08-14-2010, 09:18 PM   #154 (permalink)
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Maybe not, but this cory fellow is pretty entertaining.
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Old 08-14-2010, 09:24 PM   #155 (permalink)
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Old 08-14-2010, 09:35 PM   #156 (permalink)
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That Marriage 101 spiel is one sided and ignorant of history, sociology, psychology and cultural anthropology.

It takes the assumption that men and women view themselves as only irrational beings when in fact what seperates us from primates is rationality and the ability to (at times) control our irrational thoughts.
No, not really. What happened was, with the emergence of civilization, unprecedentedly large numbers of people started grouping together. Prior to civilization, humans lived in small groups where different and simpler structures of organization worked well enough, so in those instances of very small cultures, you very well might have found instances where male and female roles were very different than what we've seen in mainstream western and eastern culture. I doubt there was anything going on that was too flattering, frankly. The problem with polygamy and hypergamy would likely be worse in most cases.

But we're not talking about these small fringe pockets of people, we're talking about what happens when you have the chaos of tens, even hundreds of thousands of people living under the same cultural identity for the first time. Things are very different when you have that many people, and we haven't had this situation for very long in our history. As I'm sure you know, agriculture made it possible, and this created all kinds of challenges.

So when these unprecedentedly large populations formed for the first time due to agriculture and metallurgy, the elite of the elite (comprising the ruling class) needed to come up with a system to bring stability and order to their populations so that labor could be done more efficiently to strengthen the nation. Marriage, especially when paired with religion, became the most useful tool, and had fantastic success at helping produce a strong nation that could defend and conquer.

So basically, very, very intelligent men, rulers, created a system to bring predictability to people who were less educated and more emotional. The rulers were better off, and in some cases, the men and women were better off, insofar as marriage did work pretty good at giving everyone stability, despite a certain lack of freedom (freedom which is always a dangerous thing).

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My analysis refers to more western and eastern mainstream culture, where large populations with density, create different pressures and problems.

Also, these stories of fringe cultures should be taken with a grain of salt, anthropology isn't much of science, chock full of bias and feminism. (feminism does have some good ideas, but a lot of misconceptions and wishful thinking, too)
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Maybe not, but this cory fellow is pretty entertaining.
+1 (but he's entertaining in a bad way. I feel guilty laughing at this shit)

I've laughed out loud a few times already. One time I burst into laughter because I was imagining 'trane's reaction to Cory's "Marriage 101" post.

I'm kinda dissapointed that Aar said he "liked" Cory's explanation. Come on, Aar!
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Old 08-14-2010, 09:57 PM   #158 (permalink)
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Old 08-14-2010, 11:48 PM   #159 (permalink)
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+1 (but he's entertaining in a bad way. I feel guilty laughing at this shit)

I've laughed out loud a few times already. One time I burst into laughter because I was imagining 'trane's reaction to Cory's "Marriage 101" post.

I'm kinda dissapointed that Aar said he "liked" Cory's explanation. Come on, Aar!
I'll reiterate that I liked parts. Go... up yo' arse.

Really though, marriage isn't what it once was. I don't know if 'importance' is the right word, but it isn't as important - to people, to the health of our society, etc. It's more symbolic now, whereas in the past, it seemed to have a specific purpose - which was most likely dumb, but whatever. And, like other things which have, with time, lost their meaning, it will eventually die out. I think we're beyond it at this point. It's difficult to let go though. My girlfriend will often say, "I've wanted it ever since I was a little girl. I wanted to get married, have a kid" etc, etc, pass the Advil. Seems she's locked into this promise she made to herself when she was 7. I wanted to fly to the moon when I was 7 and I swore to myself that I'd get there. Things changed though. I also thought my BMX was K.I.T.T. and for a while, I thought I was Jesus.

Let's all sing!

Alimony, alimony, payin' yo' bills!
Livin', lovin', she's just a woman!
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Old 08-15-2010, 12:09 AM   #160 (permalink)
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+1 (but he's entertaining in a bad way. I feel guilty laughing at this shit)

I've laughed out loud a few times already. One time I burst into laughter because I was imagining 'trane's reaction to Cory's "Marriage 101" post.
i laughed out loud too. i'm assuming a kaufman-clifton-esque situation here, but i could be wrong.

maybe cory is, indeed, so full of himself that he actually believes this. it's kind of like first year graduate school, where a dude has read deleuze and guattari and applies the body without organs to everything he sees without acknowledging that there may be complete fallacies within it or within things like holey space, or that no one has ever written a counter argument.

or maybe more like reading feyerabend without acknowledging lakatos' intent, notwithstanding his death.

how's that for name dropping aar? get it?
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