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Old 08-15-2010, 07:19 PM   #181 (permalink)
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again with the self-aggrandizement. your claim to superiority is precisely the problem with the whole concept. wisdom comes in knowing how and when to doubt, not how and when to insist.
In other words, you, atop the lofty mountain of St. Suzuki, burning some incense to the light ambient beats of some local indie artist, judge other people's behavior as wise and foolish. You might try to deny this by getting semantic, but this only reflects you inability to commit to logic.

You know what wisdom is (or at least you think you do), and will tell people like myself that we are not wise, but not without indulging in contradictions like claiming: "I don't claim superiority", even though you clearly do, by dint of your very judgments against me, and God knows who else.

You claim superiority over me, and others as well, but you likely aren't aware that you're doing it. Us self aggrandizing inferiors are foolish, while you self effacing, big hearted leftists are the wise superiors. This is a simple game, played by many. I could simulate the extent of your logical processes in a chip that would run through just the exhalation of my left nostril. I don't mean that as an insult, I'm just trying to wake you from what is clearly a pleasant meadow slumber.

This sort of progressive conservative posturing you exhibit is totally understandable and quite useful for navigating through an ethos warmed by an egalitarian security blanket, but it has nothing to do with wisdom. Making claims of having no superiority (yet implying you possess such in everything else you say and do) is nothing more than good politics, cunning and tact. Many females looking for a provider will be impressed by this, but it's not wisdom, you aren't fooling me.

However, 'trane, I don't mind saying, you are a very nice man, one of the most genuinely earnest I've come across, a stand out individual. That is, relative to the sheeple in general. Or, the manboons, as I also like to call them.

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Old 08-15-2010, 07:31 PM   #182 (permalink)
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lol thinking you're all philosophical
I can tell, just from this comment, that you're totally out of place here. You are not suited for this thread, or intellectual discussion at all, and maybe not even for modern society - perhaps even feeling more an home as a menial servant in the bronze age. This is not an insult, I can understand the difficulty so many people have who have been flung into this world accidentally, entirely specialized for a bygone era, lost in this brave new world.
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Old 08-15-2010, 07:37 PM   #183 (permalink)
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the only claim to superiority i make is that i am open to the potential that my own ideas are subject to criticism. i made no judgements against you as an individual cory, only that nietzsche's superman negates this possibility.

a sweet attempt a redirection, but not at all true, although you continue to do a great humbert humbert impersonation.
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Old 08-15-2010, 07:59 PM   #184 (permalink)
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the only claim to superiority i make is that i am open to the potential that my own ideas are subject to criticism. i made no judgements against you as an individual cory, only that nietzsche's superman negates this possibility.
But you only think it does, because that's your absolutist interpretation. I don't interpret it that way. The superman knows what is absolutely true, but is wise enough to know what is uncertain and unknown. Self aggrandizement doesn't imply one is closed off to further learning and criticism.
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Old 08-15-2010, 08:19 PM   #185 (permalink)
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so let me get this straight. the superman knows some things - many things, likely - and these are absolute. but when i suggest that all ideas should be subject to criticism, i am absolutist. is that about right?

i think we can both agree that there is wisdom in asking questions about the unknown. where we differ is in the questioning of what we already think we know.
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Old 08-15-2010, 10:07 PM   #186 (permalink)
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I can tell, just from this comment, that you're totally out of place here. You are not suited for this thread, or intellectual discussion at all, and maybe not even for modern society - perhaps even feeling more an home as a menial servant in the bronze age. This is not an insult, I can understand the difficulty so many people have who have been flung into this world accidentally, entirely specialized for a bygone era, lost in this brave new world.
For not being an insult - that's pretty fucking insulting. I have a hard time of thinking of any way to be more insulting. you've been given a lot of freedom to toss your bullshit around, so please refrain from trying to restrict the freedom of others to comment. Be clear about this - you are totally out of place in doing so.
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Old 08-15-2010, 10:27 PM   #187 (permalink)
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so let me get this straight. the superman knows some things - many things, likely - and these are absolute. but when i suggest that all ideas should be subject to criticism, i am absolutist. is that about right?

i think we can both agree that there is wisdom in asking questions about the unknown. where we differ is in the questioning of what we already think we know.
This is a big topic, and I'm about to hit the road for a couple days. Building a cottage in the middle of nowhere, no internet or much for modern conveniences. Bathing in a lake after a hard days work. Needless to say, there's gonna be a lot of opening my heart and mind to the infinite.

While you guys will be enjoying life through mostly electronic mediums, I'm going to be sweating bullets lifting trusses over my head by myself, maybe with one hand, while my Dad nails it in, not saying I won't find it rewarding, but you're all gonna be coasting pretty easy compared to me.

'trane, I would like to actually respond to some points you made about marriage and child support many pages ago, it was a lengthly post you made in earnest and deserves a reply, so when I get back I might focus on that.

There's potential to have many interesting discussions in the podium with you all, I would like to discuss less heavy things in the future.

J-Bo, old boy, I am sorry for the retort. Lately I've wanted to paint my opponent as being suited for bronze age slavery as playful joke, it's just something I've been longing to do and you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, it's nothing against you, I really do not know much about you from your small post, I was joking, I bet you knew that and had a good laugh, relax, we're friends.

Farewell RF, may you bear under much weight with dignity, even if that means it's with a girl you picked up drunk at the pub on karaoke night.

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Old 08-16-2010, 08:53 PM   #188 (permalink)
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Old 08-16-2010, 09:07 PM   #189 (permalink)
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Now, don't think for a minute that this song encapsulates my rise to maturity, not even close. This song is good, but I've passed bowel movements that could write more enlightening songs about my life than this.
Then show me, or write one, or honestly, shut the fucking door on this charade. You're not all that interesting if you don't know when to stop.

I think it's sad when a guy can have so many gifts, and clearly you do, yet, but sadly there is such an under developed part of your personality that you don't even see where you're completely wrong.

I find it sad for real.

You need a mentor. I'm in the book.
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Old 08-16-2010, 09:11 PM   #190 (permalink)
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This is a big topic, and I'm about to hit the road for a couple days. Building a cottage in the middle of nowhere, no internet or much for modern conveniences. Bathing in a lake after a hard days work. Needless to say, there's gonna be a lot of opening my heart and mind to the infinite.

While you guys will be enjoying life through mostly electronic mediums, I'm going to be sweating bullets lifting trusses over my head by myself, maybe with one hand, while my Dad nails it in, not saying I won't find it rewarding, but you're all gonna be coasting pretty easy compared to me.

'trane, I would like to actually respond to some points you made about marriage and child support many pages ago, it was a lengthly post you made in earnest and deserves a reply, so when I get back I might focus on that.

There's potential to have many interesting discussions in the podium with you all, I would like to discuss less heavy things in the future.

J-Bo, old boy, I am sorry for the retort. Lately I've wanted to paint my opponent as being suited for bronze age slavery as playful joke, it's just something I've been longing to do and you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, it's nothing against you, I really do not know much about you from your small post, I was joking, I bet you knew that and had a good laugh, relax, we're friends.

Farewell RF, may you bear under much weight with dignity, even if that means it's with a girl you picked up drunk at the pub on karaoke night.

Cory Watts
Cory. Think about us when you eat the wrong plant life and stare sadly up at the night sky.... the irony of such a great mind lost to us forever... all because he was too stupid to look in the manual.

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Old 08-16-2010, 09:11 PM   #191 (permalink)
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Who woulda thought this thread would grind out 10 pages?
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Old 08-17-2010, 01:17 AM   #192 (permalink)
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DK, these kinda topics always do.

And we'll always have posters who desperately love the sound of their own voice (albeit over the internet), who will try to come across as deep thinkers beyond any of our measly brains, yet can end every post with a comment about the RF guys picking random broads up at bars. Throw in another insult at women, aaaaand you're done.

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Old 08-17-2010, 01:28 AM   #193 (permalink)
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I'd like credit for starting the marriage portion of the alimony thread.
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Old 08-17-2010, 01:32 AM   #194 (permalink)
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I'd like credit for starting the marriage portion of the alimony thread.
I'd like credit for debating you on it, as I often do.

We've had this debate/discussion so many times, I feel like our lines should be memorized:

Aar - I don't wanna get married, ever. I'm happy with my current situation.

Cuda - I wanna get married one day, and have little spawns of satan when I'm with the right dude.

Aar - Let's agree to disagree.

Cuda - Definitely. We both have valid points that reflect our different lives.

Aar & Cuda - Let's be friends!

The. End.
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Old 08-17-2010, 03:05 AM   #195 (permalink)
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Can't believe I just stayed up til 2am reading all this. An intellectual read to say the least.
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Old 08-18-2010, 04:52 PM   #196 (permalink)
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As much as I kinda don't wanna drag up this ol' thread again... I wanted to post a comment from another site where I was having a similar discussion/debate. (Back to the marriage conversation we were having...):

"Good marriage is one of the great pleasures in this life. ( Like dogs ) Without marriage , you'll never fully understand the tears of joy that slip down your wife's cheek when she cuddles her children for the first time.
You'll be just be figuring child payments. There is a closeness involved in long term marriage that allows a couple to have the best sex available from across a room : anticipation. You'll begin to understand that The Orgasm is just the beginning. The closest you'll ever be is the times that circumstance keeps you apart. You'll discover that you can't relax until your family is safe and secure, well fed and clothed. You'll be the last to eat and sleep.
You'll die for your wife and family with no reservations. And don't tell me "so will a partner."

We've been married for 42 years. We know the difference between a boyfriend/girlfriend and a spouse."

Another perspective. Not saying I agree or disagree, just wanted to add it. My apologies
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This thread's still kickin' around. lol
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Old 08-18-2010, 05:02 PM   #198 (permalink)
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This thread's still kickin' around. lol
I gave it a li'l mouth-to-mouth. Sometimes I'm desperate.
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Old 08-18-2010, 06:38 PM   #199 (permalink)
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"Good marriage is one of the great pleasures in this life. ( Like dogs ) Without marriage , you'll never fully understand the tears of joy that slip down your wife's cheek when she cuddles her children for the first time.
You'll be just be figuring child payments. There is a closeness involved in long term marriage that allows a couple to have the best sex available from across a room : anticipation. You'll begin to understand that The Orgasm is just the beginning. The closest you'll ever be is the times that circumstance keeps you apart. You'll discover that you can't relax until your family is safe and secure, well fed and clothed. You'll be the last to eat and sleep.
You'll die for your wife and family with no reservations. And don't tell me "so will a partner."

We've been married for 42 years. We know the difference between a boyfriend/girlfriend and a spouse."
All that they are describing is the difference between serious commitment/love and being your average couple. They haven't described a single thing that cannot be achieved without marrying someone. I re-iterate my original point: marriage is a symbolic ritual for a type of commitment that should already exist prior to the marriage; it is not the commitment itself. Put more simply, marriage and commitment are not synonymous (in fact, many are married without commitment, and many are committed without marriage).

If your point is that those feelings described above can only be a product of marriage, then you're assuming the very point I'm asking to be demonstrated.

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Old 08-18-2010, 06:41 PM   #200 (permalink)
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All that they are describing is the difference between serious commitment/love and being your average couple. They haven't described a single thing that cannot be achieved without marrying someone. I re-iterate my original point: marriage is a symbolic ritual for a type of commitment that should already exist prior to the marriage; it is not the commitment itself. Put more simply, marriage and commitment are not synonymous (in fact, many are married without commitment, and many are committed without marriage).
I'm not disagreeing with ya, I just felt like posting it.
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