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Claudius 03-23-2012 06:20 PM

Air Canada strike
 
Did you support them or not? I for one am glad someone in this country finally decided to stand up instead of continuously getting fucked over.

pzabby 03-23-2012 06:31 PM

I support them. That law passed last second to save the march break rush was outrageous, it took away most of their leeway, Another harper doing which makes more and more people call him a faschist. And while I don't go to that far, this time he's really shit the bed. With a minority, he gave no fucks, now...

TORaptor4Ever 03-23-2012 08:19 PM

As an Air Canada employee I tip my cap to the both of you.

I can assure that what the unions are currently TRYING to fight for are not "unreasonable demands centered around greed" (as some are leading the public to believe).

Every single union worker agreed to significant concessions over the past 5-10 years (wage freezes, loss of shift premiums, loss of paid vacation time) in order to keep the airline "profitable".

What's made the front-line workers irate is that fact upper management types have still been lining their pockets with MILLIONS of dollars that they company supposedly "doesn't have". Our current CEO is for a $5M bonus at the end of next month I believe.... and Robert Milton (our former CEO) walked away with about $100M when he gave up the job. Add in to that the company's complete fuck-up and lack of responsibility in regards to the pension plan (they just didn't bother to pay into it for YEARS) and it's easy to see why people are pissed.

It's a shame though that the customers are the ones that are often the most inconvenienced when things like this come up.... but if management is unwilling to negotiate in good faith then it really doesn't leave a whole lot of other options available.

Claudius 03-23-2012 08:26 PM

Personally, Lisa Raitt can go fuck herself. I honestly, sincerely, mean that. Protecting the national economy my ass.

LX 03-23-2012 08:53 PM

People getting suspended for sarcastic clapping is just outrageous.

TORaptor4Ever 03-24-2012 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Claudius (Post 629555)
Personally, Lisa Raitt can go fuck herself. I honestly, sincerely, mean that. Protecting the national economy my ass.

I voted NDP for the first time ever last election.

After watching Raitt and Harper in action I can certainly see myself voting that way again next time. The Conservatives seem all too determined to widen the gap between the haves and the have-nots.

Disgusting.

pzabby 03-24-2012 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 629873)
I voted NDP for the first time ever last election.

After watching Raitt and Harper in action I can certainly see myself voting that way again next time. The Conservatives seem all too determined to widen the gap between the haves and the have-nots.

Disgusting.

Liberals! I'm sorry but the NDP have no economic sense in them, Canada would go down the drain, in a hurry, as did Ontario when NDP won. Even if BOB Rae is the liberal leader come the next election, he won't be the same guy to ruin Ontario's economy, he now sees why the NDP doctrine is wrong and is the reason why he joined the liberals.

Claudius 03-25-2012 12:02 PM

Technically speaking the NDP today (at least federally) are more of a centrist than a left wing party and the Liberal party is far more of a centre right party.

That being said, I've never subscribed to the popular theory that the NDP were responsible for a poor Ontario economy, but rather operating in a strong recession did that for them and a lot of the opposition parties found it easy to slam them (which sadly has stuck to this day).

LX 03-25-2012 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Claudius (Post 630142)
Technically speaking the NDP today (at least federally) are more of a centrist than a left wing party and the Liberal party is far more of a centre right party.

That being said, I've never subscribed to the popular theory that the NDP were responsible for a poor Ontario economy, but rather operating in a strong recession did that for them and a lot of the opposition parties found it easy to slam them (which sadly has stuck to this day).

Not to mention that Harris ended up spending more, wasting more, and creating more debt and endless crisis at a time when the economy was soaring. The main fault with the governing NDP then was that they backed down a bit and then gave the opening to be run down and run over by the opposing parties. In the end they couldn't defend their own policies, because they never really implemented their own policies. Their focus right now is quite right for these times - to get back to some social democratic ideals that are only to the left of center next to the radical playing to the rich that has gone on for the last two decades.

The NDP has a chance to truly govern outside of special interests now, precisely by becoming more centrist. They need to fill the vacuum that corporate power mongers have feasted on at our expense, and not worry so much about being purely socialist. And with Mulcair on board they have taken a good first step. I really hope Cullen has a strong role to play as well.

TORaptor4Ever 03-25-2012 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LX (Post 630147)
Not to mention that Harris ended up spending more, wasting more, and creating more debt and endless crisis at a time when the economy was soaring. The main fault with the governing NDP then was that they backed down a bit and then gave the opening to be run down and run over by the opposing parties. In the end they couldn't defend their own policies, because they never really implemented their own policies. Their focus right now is quite right for these times - to get back to some social democratic ideals that are only to the left of center next to the radical playing to the rich that has gone on for the last two decades.

The NDP has a chance to truly govern outside of special interests now, precisely by becoming more centrist. They need to fill the vacuum that corporate power mongers have feasted on at our expense, and not worry so much about being purely socialist. And with Mulcair on board they have taken a good first step. I really hope Cullen has a strong role to play as well.

Exactly this. Well this is what I'd be hoping for anyway.

Claudius 03-25-2012 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LX (Post 630147)
Not to mention that Harris ended up spending more, wasting more, and creating more debt and endless crisis at a time when the economy was soaring. The main fault with the governing NDP then was that they backed down a bit and then gave the opening to be run down and run over by the opposing parties. In the end they couldn't defend their own policies, because they never really implemented their own policies. Their focus right now is quite right for these times - to get back to some social democratic ideals that are only to the left of center next to the radical playing to the rich that has gone on for the last two decades.

The NDP has a chance to truly govern outside of special interests now, precisely by becoming more centrist. They need to fill the vacuum that corporate power mongers have feasted on at our expense, and not worry so much about being purely socialist. And with Mulcair on board they have taken a good first step. I really hope Cullen has a strong role to play as well.

I agree with this post 100% I can't really add anything to it.


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