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'trane 04-26-2008 12:13 PM

A plea
 
Hi everyone.

I am extending a hand out to the members of this board with a plea. I hope you take a moment to consider this. I am well aware that this is a message board and people have the right to say what ever they want. That said, this has always been a civil board where many of us came to get away from the oftentimes childishness of internet chat rooms.

With that framework as a background, I am asking people to consider the use of the word 'retarded', both here and in their every day lives. This label is a frustrating word in the first place, but my objection is specifically about how it is often used to mean stupid. Sentences like "so-and-so is retarded", or "that play/decision/idea is retarded" are both offensive, unthoughtful and in poor taste.

Say stupid if you mean stupid, but to say 'retarded' is to further denigrate people with intellectual disabilities who already face plenty of barriers for full participation and inclusion in 'normal' society. This word has no place in civil discourse, and although this is just a message board, I ask that you consider the impact of the words you use wherever you use them. This is no different from faggot, nigger or any other label used to discriminate against a segment of our society.

Do what you will, it is within your right to do so, but please take a moment to consider what it would be like for those who might be extremely offended by your word use. Thanks for taking the time to read this.

Jay 04-26-2008 12:26 PM

Seriously with you on this Coltrane. That has to stop.

Claudius 04-26-2008 12:27 PM

I agree with you on this 'trane.

Dr. J. Naismith 04-26-2008 12:31 PM

You got my support buddy. :dancing:

Benzo 04-26-2008 12:32 PM

+1.

Agreed

Acie 04-26-2008 12:33 PM

I've never even really noticed it.

Uh oh, maybe I'm guilty of doing it.

Sorry dude.

Demetrio 04-26-2008 02:32 PM

+1, if only people realize what they're saying before they open their mouth...

The MVP of West Hollywood 04-26-2008 03:15 PM

I'll agree to this

Major 04-26-2008 05:09 PM

Couldn't agree more coltrane, that must stop

Agreed 100%

Belsius 04-26-2008 05:23 PM

I agree, but its so difficult to take care of all the things that are offensive. I think when people call things "gay" is worse.

Dark Knight 08-06-2009 08:19 PM

Ya, I agree 100%.

That word is banned from my house because my mom is an eductional assitant, meaning she works with these students at school. I would never think of using anyway.

LX 08-06-2009 08:36 PM

My sister has downs, and there was still quite a few of my parents' friends that couldn't keep themselves from using that word. So I realize it's tough to expect when it's become so common. And generally I've found it pretty good here. But I'm also very happy to see the concern expressed.

CB4Real 09-13-2009 11:00 AM

ok my bad

Someguy again 09-13-2009 09:01 PM

+10 on this whole thread, just seeing the word by itself is offending.

I really don't understand why there's an argument over it, some people are just insensitive, I covered this topic on my grade 12 world issue and my classmates say "It's not a big deal", "your just being over sensitive", "You can't tell me what to say, it's a free fucking country" etc etc.

Pisses me off how ignorant majority of some people are on this topic.

Raptorman 09-14-2009 02:14 AM

I'm in.

Bill Haverchuck 11-11-2009 07:40 PM

It's interesting how people view words differently over time. For example, for more than half of the 20th century, the commonly used technical terms for people with intellectual disabilities were "Moron", "Imbecile", and "Idiot." Yes, at one point, those were actual medical terms. After the second world war, most of mainstream society became familiar with those terms. Consequently, many school children (and asshole adults) began to use those terms as everyday insults. If you spoke with someone who grew up during the 50's or 60's, they'd probably tell you that they see no difference between the word "idiot" and "retarded." They're both equally insulting. At some point, probably during the 60's or 70's, there was a big push to get people to stop using the words "moron" and "idiot." It had some success amongst school children. Unfortunately, mainstream culture adapted and picked up the new terms "retard" and "retarded." I find this interesting in a sad way because people who grew up after the 60's and 70's are unfamiliar with the nasty history of "moron" and "idiot." So now you have people picking up the old terms, like "moron" and"idiot", without any sense of their roots (similar to how people use n*g*er), as well as people who say "retarded." And, in some cases, you even have people saying "don't say retarded" but they let the words "moron" or "idiot" slide.

Anyways, we all sometimes say things that are offensive without necessarily intending to offend. Most people today don't know the extent of the historical baggage associated with the word "moron." I've seen a handful of people use it here, and I'm sure they were NOT trying to offend other users; they were just venting. I hear people use "moron" all the time without flinching. Context is very important when it comes to words. I am not making excuses, but rather providing some context and food for thought. I will try hard not to use the word "retarded." Unfortunately, I've done that before.

Out of curiousity, how do people feel about the words "moron" and "idiot"? Are they more acceptable now? Or, due to their historical baggage, should they be treated with the same sensitivity as "retard(ed)"?

dfunkie1 11-11-2009 08:09 PM

i used the word a lot, just not on here out of respect for others. i'd never apologize for the context i use it, though.

DVS 11-11-2009 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArmChairGM (Post 266432)

Out of curiousity, how do people feel about the words "moron" and "idiot"? Are they more acceptable now? Or, due to their historical baggage, should they be treated with the same sensitivity as "retard(ed)"?

I'm pretty low on all those words. In fact I really do try to restrain myself to use any profanity or unflatering words at all in this forum or any other I frequent. I just find forum messages can be easily mis interpreted to begin with so I try to be as clear as possible

N64 11-11-2009 11:38 PM

I try never to use the word "retard" because like trane said, it degrades people with mental disabilities. I totally agree with this thread, it's gotta stop, it's said how words like that are accepted in society today.

CB4Real 11-12-2009 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArmChairGM (Post 266432)
It's interesting how people view words differently over time. For example, for more than half of the 20th century, the commonly used technical terms for people with intellectual disabilities were "Moron", "Imbecile", and "Idiot." Yes, at one point, those were actual medical terms. After the second world war, most of mainstream society became familiar with those terms. Consequently, many school children (and asshole adults) began to use those terms as everyday insults. If you spoke with someone who grew up during the 50's or 60's, they'd probably tell you that they see no difference between the word "idiot" and "retarded." They're both equally insulting. At some point, probably during the 60's or 70's, there was a big push to get people to stop using the words "moron" and "idiot." It had some success amongst school children. Unfortunately, mainstream culture adapted and picked up the new terms "retard" and "retarded." I find this interesting in a sad way because people who grew up after the 60's and 70's are unfamiliar with the nasty history of "moron" and "idiot." So now you have people picking up the old terms, like "moron" and"idiot", without any sense of their roots (similar to how people use n*g*er), as well as people who say "retarded." And, in some cases, you even have people saying "don't say retarded" but they let the words "moron" or "idiot" slide.

Anyways, we all sometimes say things that are offensive without necessarily intending to offend. Most people today don't know the extent of the historical baggage associated with the word "moron." I've seen a handful of people use it here, and I'm sure they were NOT trying to offend other users; they were just venting. I hear people use "moron" all the time without flinching. Context is very important when it comes to words. I am not making excuses, but rather providing some context and food for thought. I will try hard not to use the word "retarded." Unfortunately, I've done that before.

Out of curiousity, how do people feel about the words "moron" and "idiot"? Are they more acceptable now? Or, due to their historical baggage, should they be treated with the same sensitivity as "retard(ed)"?

actually that makes alot of sense +1


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