Originally Posted by LegendaryXD
exactly. There are winning players on every team. According to this logic, Kevin Durant is not a winner lol
um, no - he won plenty in his career. Not a title yet, but still- he's a proven winner.
guys like battier and haslem, throughout their career, their teams have done well. They've proven that they can contribute to a winning environment, sometimes more than their stats would otherwise indicate. They're also excellent to elite defenders, which explains the previous statement - defense is not captured in stats. Amir is nothing like that, he's a hard worker with more talent than either haslem or battier, but a shutdown defender he is not. And unlike those, he's almost an underachiever, if not for the tact that he came into the league so raw and never got a fair chance until Toronto. Given his age, there's still time to improve to the point of all star level in fact.
So amir may just be like them, but that's just conjecture. He's most certainly not a proven winner. If you want, call him a prospective winner
That's mostly all I'm taking issue with, calling him a winner ahead of time. It's like calling JV an all star, he may have all star potential, but we won't know until it happens.