Originally Posted by LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!!
Dr.J isn't top 10 because it's top 10 in the nba. Even then, he can't be included, Moses Malone would be above him.
Russell is highly regarded by everyone, across all different generations. Boston wouldn't have been able to do what they did without him. I never said 11 championships was the sole reason why Bill Russell was in the top 10. He impacted the game when he played. You can still impact the game without being a top option on offense. He has 5 NBA MVP trophies. Typically the MVP award is given to the best player on the best team in the league as they're the most valuable.
West isn't as highly regarded due to the fact that that would open the floodgates for a lot of other guards.
Also, Elgin Baylor would get a lot more love had he won a ring.
Your reasoning is exactly why I underrate Russell perhaps. It's the reasons that aren't related to the individual player that earn them the MVP that I have a problem with. It's also why Rose got the MVP when Dwight Howard deserved it or why Steve Nash won two when his statistical contributions were pretty dubious.
I don't buy the argument that West opens the door for other guards. He's far and away one of the best players of all time at his position or not. The logo has averages of 27, 5.8 and 6.7, ten first teams, 4 defense first-teams (all after the age of 32), the only player to win Finals MVP on the losing team. Some things he did are just astounding for a guard of his era, like averaging 2.6 steals in his final season at age 36. Chris Paul averaged less than that this past year and led the league.
Another guy I forget to mention about having a good argument for the top ten is Bob Pettit. Insane averages of 26/16, two MVPs, winning the 'chip in the middle of the unstoppable Celtics dynasty of the 50s, ten first teams and two scoring titles.