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Old 04-16-2011, 11:55 AM   #115 (permalink)

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Originally Posted by LX View Post
My dog had been through all the testing. There was no problem that cause frequent urination. So there was nothing that needed to run its course. Her problem was that her hips had twisted and impacted the nerves that effected her urinary system. She went from frequent urination to just stopping immediately after being adjusted. I think it would be a tremendous coincidence for the timing of some symptoms to have run their course in conjunction with the chiropractic treatment.
And yet, it could very well be a coincidence. You have a sample size of one with no controls whatsoever. I think you over-estimate your ability to discern causal relationships.

Originally Posted by LX View Post
I have a much bigger problem with anything that claims to be a cure. I recognize that alternative treatments can be seen in such a light, and that would be where my concerns would lie. If they can be seen as supplemental, when doctors and specialists come to a dead end in some areas, as happens often, then it seems very rational to not disqualify alternatives off-hand. My wife suffered from sever pains in her shoulder blades. She had every test, went to specialists, tried harmful pain-killers, and in the end they advised her to see a chiropractor, which has in fact been helpful.
But did or did not the chiropractor alleviate the symptoms? You can't say that they were cured, and then get upset if someone claims that it is a cure. Either they work and should be included in all medicine more broadly, or they are pseudoscience placebos. I lean towards the latter.

Originally Posted by LX View Post
As for nuclear energy - there are obvious downsides. I have as much of a problem with science being unable to weigh long-term pros and cons regarding any technologies, as I do with reflexive positions regarding those technologies. In fact, I think that science has shown itself to be unqualified to come up with a cohesive plan that takes the overall health of the planet into consideration. It is important for government to take that role, and saying no is an important part of that.
I'm sorry, I don't really see how science has failed you in that respect. Science tends to avoid saying things that it doesn't know. For example, science has no plan to "take the overall health of the planet into consideration" because it is simply impossible for us to do so. Still, when you look at the areas where we're discussing future ecological plans, how are we getting informed? Through science. The most notable examples here are climate change, fisheries, and biodiversity.

If you can tell me how to generate the power we need without raising CO^2 emissions after phasing out every single nuclear generator, then you can tell me that it has a modicum of scientific reasoning behind it. As I (and Larry Moran) said, there are some good arguments against nuclear power but the idea that it's an open-and-shut case is laughable.
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